I said I felt sorry for White Chain earlier; now doubly so. I cannot even imagine the anguish..
I suppose we can only hope for things to get better. Mayhaps Allison shall eventually save White Chain through some means. Ah, that would be splendid.
Well, it’s in the prophecy: the one spelled by the One entombed in the slab of stone. In the images, you can see White Chain taking part in the final fight.
Their whole body, their backs, their hands, their wings and the wheels were full of eyes all around, the wheels belonging to all four of them. The wheels were called in my hearing, the whirling wheels.…
It’s also that our conceptualization of angels is wrong. There is a passage, which is in Ezekiel in the bible, describes a vision where the guy sees angels of all types, including Seraphim, who hide themselves with their wings, their forms so perfect to destroy those that look upon them, their spirits blazing with charity, cherubim, who have three faces, of man , ox, and eagle, and winged human bodies with six legs, those of man, eagle, and ox. I really like these strange, inhuman depictions of angels. Much more striking that the Garden variety you see nowadays.
He seems to be based off of “Living Things” and the “Cherubim” while his head is a wheel covered in eyeballs which is a trait of the “Orphanim”. So he’s a Lion bodied, Bovine hoofed, eagle winged, wheel headed angel covered in eyeballs and fire.
Hmm.. I can’t tell which eyes to look at.
Are all the extra eyes supposed to be additional expressive eyes? Like extra arms that multi-task? Or just decorative eyes that mimic the facial eyes?
Each and all of an angel’s eyes are truly eyes, no less capable of seeing or expressing than the ones that happen to be located on their faces. If they happen to have faces. Certainly some angels are mostly eyes (or are, at least, simply eyes on wheels nestled within wheels covered in eyes).
82’s name includes “Returns to Subdue Evil” so I’m not particularly concerned. How do you think they will return? Will Allison or someone build a new shell or is there a different way to return?
Well, her current shell is still there and perfectly functional. Unless it’s destroyed, I guess all it’ll take is for someone to remove the nail, like the first time. Allison herself could do it, she’s in the Void right now.
Aaaah, I see. so in the Void Angels take the form of traditional iconographic angels. That’s fucking cool. Book 2 is everything I dream of and desire. Like, all the visual and fictional pleasures melded into one thing. Like a buffet or something, I dunno?
I believe this form is a result of White Chain’s human tendencirs; doubtless the other angels would not appear so… corporeal. I would imagine that the more lofty angels such as 2 Michael would have a void form incomprehensible to any but themselves, or something of the like.
I wasn’t talking about just 82 silly, I consider the weird eyeball covered angels like Cherubim, Seraphim, Orphanim and what have you just as traditional, such as the angel conversing with 82 right now.
Ophanim, you mean.
(I apologize for being pedantic, but they are my favorite kind.)
It is certainly very interesting seeing their void forms. I hope to see more, varied ones. Also, I am curious as to how they return. Does White Chain require a new shell?
Interesting. Traditional Hebrew/Christian mythology is one of the few that I am poorly-versed in, so I didn’t catch the similarity to any iconoclastic angels. I assumed this angel to be a Lamassu, chimera, or gryphon-esque creature.
I think we’ve seen 82 in this condition before, though not from this perspective, when 23 shot (stabbed, threw?) her (?) in the back with a needle.
But this time I want to hug her and tell her it will be okay. Something I never expected to feel towards a nuclear explosion, self contained or not. But then neither did I expect to see a ring look so concerned.
Oho, a rare sight indeed, for non-angelic eyes, to peer unfiltered into the void. There are rather few among the angels who find themselves inclined towards scholarly pursuits, fewer among those who choose to share knowledge of their native home, and if there is one among those who is an illustrator as well, I have not had the pleasure of viewing their work, before now.
Could that be how White Chain shall escape the void, with the help of Alison? She might attempt returning 82 to Throne, or perhaps seek a way to bring the angel to her Earth.
If the latter, I’d expect White Chain to drink antifreeze as a reference to Suburban Commando, but I don’t think an ongoing nuclear reaction has to worry about collecting ice particles internally.
I will be interested in the development of these apparent guardians of the Void. I wonder even more at the nature of that tree now; in the corporeal world, it seemed to resemble an Aeon’s void-self, now, in the Void, it is withered, bare, and more tangible, in a sense. Interesting. Poor White Chain.
(Incidentally, I realized that the denomination of “Gatekeeper”, while appropriate for the Call of Cthulhu RPG, is a much more privileged title in KSBD. Thus, I am now delegated to a caste more befitting.)
Well, the living angels of Throne aren’t here, but the dead shells of those seated are. I suppose supports the idea that three is indeed alive, though I wonder why there is a dead one in the void, when there is none in the place of the angels who still remain incarnated and unbanished.
Because either Gravatar or this site refuse to post my original reply to Arianod here it is slightly edited:
Have you not been paying any attention? Since their first introduction, 82 White Chain B.i.E.R.t.S.E. has consistently denied having a gender. Here the artist clearly states on their tumblr 82 White Chain is “non-gendered”: /post/49741981681/82-white-chain-born-in-emptiness-returns-to-subdue .
Also, the fuck do you mean “less emotionally strong” by? Xe wasn’t able to protect Allison,or secure the Magus Gate/Key of Kings thing, there’s going to be a major war that could end all life in the Multi-Verse, and xe’s just been banished by xir Master and fellow angels because xe was opposed to their war plans, while purposefully mis-gendering xir. The fuck? Were you expecting xir to be a cold robot about this? Or to rise up try to fight xir fellow angels?
I think Ariandod was referring to White Chain’s personal gender identity; based upon the past few comics, it’s evident that White Chain feels “female”, even though they inherently have no gender. The denial would likely be a result of the Concordance’s discouragement of gender, form and other human tendencies.
I agree with your comment about emotional strength though, White Chain definitely has a lot to deal with, and the prospect of universal war would probably result in the destruction of the multiverse, in addition to 82 (83?) so far being the only capable one opposed to this.
White Chain’s “gender identity” (if it’s appropriate to use that term) is something of a not-quite-answered question at this point. Being an angel, they technically have no gender; however, the author himself has pointed out -in the tumblr post that you so unkindly linked to- that WC “has major problems being a non-gendered individual”; what I got from that, and from the recent conversation with Michael 2 (what a prick), is that, though technically non-gendered, White Chain “feels” female and identifies as such. Of course they would deny that in public: we’ve just seen what happened when their boss found out. Admittedly, calling them a “she” might be just a little bit premature at this point, but all the signs point in that direction so I’m gonna go with it.
And yes, up to this point she -and the other Aeons- had come across as rather cold and unattached: her reaction to being banished in this page was a lot more emotionally than I’d expected. Which is cool, it makes her more relatable as a character; but it came as a surprise to me.
As for your unwarranted hostility, kindly take it somewhere else dude. If you’re trying to pick a fight, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
No, re-read White Chain’s introduction, when xe’s confronting the gangster, and the discussion xe first have with Allison. Both times the other characters imply that White Chain is female and xe become annoyed/angry. Just now xe denied being a “brother.” Also notice that 2 Michael used the word “insipid,” which is defined as lacking in qualities of interest or stimulation, and is synonymous with words like dull, wish-washy, and nothing. It seems to me that most of those angels look at the world in a very black-and-white way. Very binary intensive. It would make sense that they would find the idea of an angel choosing something in-between or outside the typical gender binary, something in the gray area, as being too individualistic and against their ideal.
Also, once again, the artist has stated specifically that they’re a non-gendered individual on orbitaldropkick.tumblr.
In context, along with “petty morality” and “putrid form,” it’s pretty clear that 2 Michael is calling gender as a concept “insipid,” not one particular expression therof.
To clear things up about angels and gender, they are physically asexual beings (being made of smokeless celestial fire kind of tends to do that). White Chain’s problem (as will be discussed in the next page!) is that angels both self-refer and are referred to by male pronouns and are assumed to be male, despite their acknowledgement of their own lack of gender or relevant sexual identity. This is ‘explained’ by the fact that the armor made for them by the demiurges took mostly male forms and they were forged from the remnants of a male god (UN).
White chain’s own gender/sexual identity is left deliberately ambiguous, but does in fact lean towards more feminine/less masculine than angels typically assume. Having any kind of gender identity in the first place, especially one that leans more feminine (despite being agender) is strongly discouraged by angels, despite the inherent contradiction that they are all referred to as male. It is viewed negatively as a form of attachment to human principles.
This will probably become a little clearer next page.
There are few sights so glorious and terrible as an Unbound Aeon upon the Void. That such hideous and magnificent beauty cannot be witnessed within Existence is tragedy and blessing in equal parts.
This guy reminds me of Siegmeyer.
Ah yes, time to go to photoshop and put another Siegmeyer pic up.
Hm. That one.
I hate that one.
I said I felt sorry for White Chain earlier; now doubly so. I cannot even imagine the anguish..
I suppose we can only hope for things to get better. Mayhaps Allison shall eventually save White Chain through some means. Ah, that would be splendid.
Well, it’s in the prophecy: the one spelled by the One entombed in the slab of stone. In the images, you can see White Chain taking part in the final fight.
Ah yes, thou art correct! This gives me much hope, I thank thee.
EYES UPON EYES AND WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS.
Their whole body, their backs, their hands, their wings and the wheels were full of eyes all around, the wheels belonging to all four of them. The wheels were called in my hearing, the whirling wheels.…
and the faces were of lions
Well they were intended to be guards, they need to be watchful at all times.
It’s also that our conceptualization of angels is wrong. There is a passage, which is in Ezekiel in the bible, describes a vision where the guy sees angels of all types, including Seraphim, who hide themselves with their wings, their forms so perfect to destroy those that look upon them, their spirits blazing with charity, cherubim, who have three faces, of man , ox, and eagle, and winged human bodies with six legs, those of man, eagle, and ox. I really like these strange, inhuman depictions of angels. Much more striking that the Garden variety you see nowadays.
It’s not that White Chain fell from the choir of angels.
It’s that the choir of angels fell from White Chain, abandoning their seats and leaving the little angel to sing alone.
Is that hooved guy a shedu?
I encountered one of those in D&D recently.
He seems to be based off of “Living Things” and the “Cherubim” while his head is a wheel covered in eyeballs which is a trait of the “Orphanim”. So he’s a Lion bodied, Bovine hoofed, eagle winged, wheel headed angel covered in eyeballs and fire.
You know you’re having a bad day when even your wings are crying.
I read the new guy’s dialogue in Siegmeyer of Catarina’s voice.
Still closed. Still closed! Hmm…
mo’ eyes, mo’ tears, mo’ sadness.
The Void seems to be not a different ‘place’ so much as a different plane in which the Concordance is a desolate ruin; interesting.
And White Chain is definitely female; also, less emotionally strong than she seemed. Surprising.
Hmm.. I can’t tell which eyes to look at.
Are all the extra eyes supposed to be additional expressive eyes? Like extra arms that multi-task? Or just decorative eyes that mimic the facial eyes?
Each and all of an angel’s eyes are truly eyes, no less capable of seeing or expressing than the ones that happen to be located on their faces. If they happen to have faces. Certainly some angels are mostly eyes (or are, at least, simply eyes on wheels nestled within wheels covered in eyes).
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82’s name includes “Returns to Subdue Evil” so I’m not particularly concerned. How do you think they will return? Will Allison or someone build a new shell or is there a different way to return?
There is no other way, though the way might take many forms. As it is the way for Angels to Protect, so they must be Protected.
I think I may have something in 82’s size.
Well, her current shell is still there and perfectly functional. Unless it’s destroyed, I guess all it’ll take is for someone to remove the nail, like the first time. Allison herself could do it, she’s in the Void right now.
Remarkably human, yet appropriately terrifying in an angelic fashion.
Reminds me of a seraphim. Very beautiful, but very sad. 🙁
Aaaah, I see. so in the Void Angels take the form of traditional iconographic angels. That’s fucking cool. Book 2 is everything I dream of and desire. Like, all the visual and fictional pleasures melded into one thing. Like a buffet or something, I dunno?
I believe this form is a result of White Chain’s human tendencirs; doubtless the other angels would not appear so… corporeal. I would imagine that the more lofty angels such as 2 Michael would have a void form incomprehensible to any but themselves, or something of the like.
I wasn’t talking about just 82 silly, I consider the weird eyeball covered angels like Cherubim, Seraphim, Orphanim and what have you just as traditional, such as the angel conversing with 82 right now.
Ophanim, you mean.
(I apologize for being pedantic, but they are my favorite kind.)
It is certainly very interesting seeing their void forms. I hope to see more, varied ones. Also, I am curious as to how they return. Does White Chain require a new shell?
Interesting. Traditional Hebrew/Christian mythology is one of the few that I am poorly-versed in, so I didn’t catch the similarity to any iconoclastic angels. I assumed this angel to be a Lamassu, chimera, or gryphon-esque creature.
I think we’ve seen 82 in this condition before, though not from this perspective, when 23 shot (stabbed, threw?) her (?) in the back with a needle.
But this time I want to hug her and tell her it will be okay. Something I never expected to feel towards a nuclear explosion, self contained or not. But then neither did I expect to see a ring look so concerned.
Oho, a rare sight indeed, for non-angelic eyes, to peer unfiltered into the void. There are rather few among the angels who find themselves inclined towards scholarly pursuits, fewer among those who choose to share knowledge of their native home, and if there is one among those who is an illustrator as well, I have not had the pleasure of viewing their work, before now.
It is recorded, so shall it be known.
Do consider, dear Geas Knight, that the child is also present upon this plane.
Could that be how White Chain shall escape the void, with the help of Alison? She might attempt returning 82 to Throne, or perhaps seek a way to bring the angel to her Earth.
If the latter, I’d expect White Chain to drink antifreeze as a reference to Suburban Commando, but I don’t think an ongoing nuclear reaction has to worry about collecting ice particles internally.
I will be interested in the development of these apparent guardians of the Void. I wonder even more at the nature of that tree now; in the corporeal world, it seemed to resemble an Aeon’s void-self, now, in the Void, it is withered, bare, and more tangible, in a sense. Interesting. Poor White Chain.
(Incidentally, I realized that the denomination of “Gatekeeper”, while appropriate for the Call of Cthulhu RPG, is a much more privileged title in KSBD. Thus, I am now delegated to a caste more befitting.)
Well, the living angels of Throne aren’t here, but the dead shells of those seated are. I suppose supports the idea that three is indeed alive, though I wonder why there is a dead one in the void, when there is none in the place of the angels who still remain incarnated and unbanished.
Because either Gravatar or this site refuse to post my original reply to Arianod here it is slightly edited:
Have you not been paying any attention? Since their first introduction, 82 White Chain B.i.E.R.t.S.E. has consistently denied having a gender. Here the artist clearly states on their tumblr 82 White Chain is “non-gendered”: /post/49741981681/82-white-chain-born-in-emptiness-returns-to-subdue .
Also, the fuck do you mean “less emotionally strong” by? Xe wasn’t able to protect Allison,or secure the Magus Gate/Key of Kings thing, there’s going to be a major war that could end all life in the Multi-Verse, and xe’s just been banished by xir Master and fellow angels because xe was opposed to their war plans, while purposefully mis-gendering xir. The fuck? Were you expecting xir to be a cold robot about this? Or to rise up try to fight xir fellow angels?
I think Ariandod was referring to White Chain’s personal gender identity; based upon the past few comics, it’s evident that White Chain feels “female”, even though they inherently have no gender. The denial would likely be a result of the Concordance’s discouragement of gender, form and other human tendencies.
I agree with your comment about emotional strength though, White Chain definitely has a lot to deal with, and the prospect of universal war would probably result in the destruction of the multiverse, in addition to 82 (83?) so far being the only capable one opposed to this.
White Chain’s “gender identity” (if it’s appropriate to use that term) is something of a not-quite-answered question at this point. Being an angel, they technically have no gender; however, the author himself has pointed out -in the tumblr post that you so unkindly linked to- that WC “has major problems being a non-gendered individual”; what I got from that, and from the recent conversation with Michael 2 (what a prick), is that, though technically non-gendered, White Chain “feels” female and identifies as such. Of course they would deny that in public: we’ve just seen what happened when their boss found out. Admittedly, calling them a “she” might be just a little bit premature at this point, but all the signs point in that direction so I’m gonna go with it.
And yes, up to this point she -and the other Aeons- had come across as rather cold and unattached: her reaction to being banished in this page was a lot more emotionally than I’d expected. Which is cool, it makes her more relatable as a character; but it came as a surprise to me.
As for your unwarranted hostility, kindly take it somewhere else dude. If you’re trying to pick a fight, you’re barking up the wrong tree.
more *emotional than I’d expected
No, re-read White Chain’s introduction, when xe’s confronting the gangster, and the discussion xe first have with Allison. Both times the other characters imply that White Chain is female and xe become annoyed/angry. Just now xe denied being a “brother.” Also notice that 2 Michael used the word “insipid,” which is defined as lacking in qualities of interest or stimulation, and is synonymous with words like dull, wish-washy, and nothing. It seems to me that most of those angels look at the world in a very black-and-white way. Very binary intensive. It would make sense that they would find the idea of an angel choosing something in-between or outside the typical gender binary, something in the gray area, as being too individualistic and against their ideal.
Also, once again, the artist has stated specifically that they’re a non-gendered individual on orbitaldropkick.tumblr.
In context, along with “petty morality” and “putrid form,” it’s pretty clear that 2 Michael is calling gender as a concept “insipid,” not one particular expression therof.
To clear things up about angels and gender, they are physically asexual beings (being made of smokeless celestial fire kind of tends to do that). White Chain’s problem (as will be discussed in the next page!) is that angels both self-refer and are referred to by male pronouns and are assumed to be male, despite their acknowledgement of their own lack of gender or relevant sexual identity. This is ‘explained’ by the fact that the armor made for them by the demiurges took mostly male forms and they were forged from the remnants of a male god (UN).
White chain’s own gender/sexual identity is left deliberately ambiguous, but does in fact lean towards more feminine/less masculine than angels typically assume. Having any kind of gender identity in the first place, especially one that leans more feminine (despite being agender) is strongly discouraged by angels, despite the inherent contradiction that they are all referred to as male. It is viewed negatively as a form of attachment to human principles.
This will probably become a little clearer next page.
Might wanna separate the term “sex” and “gender” in the future, just as a tip to make things clearer for some of the more, uh, opinionated readers.
Thank you for the clarification ^^ Glad to see I wasn’t far off the mark!
Where a human would have hands—organs for manipulating the environment—she has eyes.
That is wonderful.
If you look at the “Ho there” panel, you can see White Chain covering her face with a hand.
There are few sights so glorious and terrible as an Unbound Aeon upon the Void. That such hideous and magnificent beauty cannot be witnessed within Existence is tragedy and blessing in equal parts.
82 you beautiful cinnamon roll, too good for this world, too pure.
“Don’t Look at me!” Irony in the unblinking eyes infesting every surface.