True! She definitely was trying to take him down, and maybe just holding him down was the best option since he’s invulnerable, but it sure seems like there might’ve been more biological weaponry involved if she was really going at it.
More refined, less pure mass on-site. I don’t think she was *really* trying against jag, just throwing in a spiteful swing to taunt the other demiurges.
Also I think the title text might refer to the World of Gog we saw in the memories, too, and just the idea of Gog not just being a goofy gal.
The virgin “staying human and just destroying the worm gestalt even though you claim yours is the path of mutilation” vs the Chad “trapping Gog’s brain in a single body while you ascend to take rest of the hive mind and use it to do battle with Jagganoth, allowing a parasitic consortium that has done nothing but take for its whole existence to redeem itself by saving all of creation”
The mass will always win. Because whoever wins, becomes the mass.
If Royalty could merely destroy the mass it would do so. But it could not. The mass was simply too powerful, too self-sustaining. So Allison did what true royalty can do, the greatest trick it can pull. She cut and cut down to the heart of the mass, the will that drives it. And she became that will. She made herself the heart of the mass.
The mass would have subsumed her, controlled her, but she was not subsumed, and could not be controlled.
Currently I’m re-reading “Thus Spake Zarathustra”, and am striken how this comic is even more Nietzschean than we have always presumed. Not only is God literally dead here, and not only does it feature will-to-power and superhumans (as well as other superbeings) heavily. There is also the myth of eternal return. Cycles over cycles over cycles over cycles. Huh, love how Abbadon works with sources.
P.S. And yeah, Nietzsche indeed was one hell of misogynistic bastard. In comparison, KSBD is as feminist as Artemis herself. Consider it, those of you who perceive some grivous insult even in the lie* that among innumerable timelines there is at least one where our heroine has married and procreated.
This is a bit silly, so the only way for Allison to defeat the Worm or make her bend the wormy knee in obedience was just to hijack and go back on Gog’s own memory line to the beginning and see her in her first original form?
Anybody should be able to do it seeing Worm eaten billions of individuals over the resetting cycles and for sure few other demiurges including Allison few times already cause she has Allison’s past cycle memories in the Wormy soup so she had to either join with her or eat her then in the past.
What makes this Allison special to actually own the situation and the Worm now? I bet it isn’t the first time Allison got the key and lost Cio and her hand special route universe either than being keyless unimportant being eaten on Earth.
I mean, it isn’t exactly “anyone” that can do what Allison’s done. Gog said it herself – most people get fried and ego-death’d the moment they eat the Worm, and the rest probably get snapped up into the hallucinatory realities at some point or another. Most of the people that would accept The Worm are the last people who would stand a chance at actually resisting her mental mind prison – and those who are forcefully devoured, even Demiurges, would have been defeated and broken beforehand, unable to resist. Gog’s very likely never had what Allison was doing before – and that’s why she was so eager to offer the Worm. She said so herself – “I dunno, a big girl like you…You might have a shot”
I also think there’s a misunderstanding on what Gog meant in her whole talk with Allison – it isn’t *literally* Allison each and every time, its someone *like* her – dragged along into the madness alongside The Heir and killed off in the third act to be meat. What makes this Allison special is that she is on the path of Royalty.
Yeah it isn’t like she just did a whole training arc with Maya that was literally all about choosing her own fate and maintaining her sense of self to survive or anything like that.
Oh yeah lmao people be forgetting about the Maybe Sword. Honestly I think so many people forgetting is kind of cool. We were told that this would be fine because she has the ability to control her own fate and drama happened regardless.
42 Fragments the Universe Beyond All Reintegration
It’s a special combination of strength and weakness, possibly unique to Allison.
Weaker challengers take the worm and are consumed.
Stronger, more royal challengers disdain the worm. They have cut away relationships and sentiment. They do not take the worm for their own purposes and they would not do so to save a former lover.
Allison is strong like tempered steel but still human and attached. She took the worm for her friend and won. This is rare enough to be unique, even in 30 kalpas.
Did Allison beat Gog by doing the same trick Meti showed her how to do in order to survive the Maybe Sword? Changing her own fate, when she had been fated to join the Worm? It could have gone either way and Allison switched maybes.
ActionKermit. You ask well. First I will speak on the Maybe Sword, for it seems you and I apprehend it differently. Whilst I am not poisoned by the sword, I know something of living and dying.
The Maybe Sword cuts those that are ruled by Fate, that is, they do not Choose for themselves. They are Chosen for. They cannot choose to live, and so, they are not truly Alive. In this way of seeing, the maybe sword dispels the illusion.
As incarnations, we have not only a soul, with its own attunements, desires, and ‘path-of-moving-towards. We have been gifted with an ego, the factotum of the conscious mind.
Oftentimes it can be that the ego elects itself Emperor of the self, and casts (or thinks to cast) the soul into the hazy past or the devil-shadow of the unreal. Such was the issue with my early siblings, and we see it writ large in White Chain and Solomon’s stories.
Those of us with this disposition construct a Mighty Self, and think we have a great power of Choosing, but it feels hollow because we are disconnected from our souls. As such we are always troubled, and the power weighs heavily on us, as sourness or resentment. Stoicism becomes a refuge, affecting piety, achieving cope. We yearn for a Total Victory, but find ourselves always in a losing position that must be shored up, ever shored up, by a conscious exertion of our own Will.
Consider what Prim learned of watchfulness.
Consider what the first of her Order learned from Prim.
You are right, of course.
When the ego becomes the midwife of the soul, its executor on the material, and agent within the Self, we are not shackled by Fate, but instead actualize something else. We breathe with Yisun. We are alive.
Gog was drawn to the Allison of this cycle with a peculiar ferocity.
Consider what attraction is, at its essence.
Love is about change.
“Admit that you need me.”
We meet Gog as the runt of the demiurges.
Bitter, jaded. She craves recognition. She is petty, needy.
We must imagine Gog lonely.
Why?
Some of us do not understand how relationships work.
Relationship is a skill that must be taught.
“I can only feel connection if you and I are the same”
“I can only feel visible if you and I are the same”
Gog is lonely because she destroys the Other and makes it Gog.
What she cannot make Gog, she covets or denigrates or ignores.
Consider this way of living:
“Either I consume you, or you consume me”.
This is a truth in which relationships cannot exist.
Allison was consumed, but not obliterated.
Allison did not retailiate, did not consume Gog.
“Instead of being a part of you, you have a little part of me”.
Allison gave Gog the gift of her-self.
Something which could not be made Gog.
Something which could not be destroyed.
The first seed of transcendence.
Consider:
Alison did not defeat Gog.
Alison defeated Gog.
Amazing.
The silliest and strangest of the lords becomes the most disturbing and horrifying in just a single chapter of a long running series.
There was always something mildly disturbing about her, but I certainly didn’t see the full blown existential horror that was to come.
Alexa play I Fall To Pieces
So sad, anyway Alexa play Despacito.
Peak fiction.
Hey! They were working on those faces!
Ah yes, the reverse gog-agog, how did I not think of that? You use a smaller gog-agog to go right through the big gog-agog.
We’re reaching level of rizz that shouldn’t even be possible.
But is it over 9000?!
God DAMN Gog Agog Flood reveal. She wasn’t serious even against Jagganoth, was she?
She turned into a hollow planet and erupted worm volcanoes all over him with enough force to hold him down, in his Chakravartin war form.
Normal scale people don’t register, you could barely see Jadis in her crystal form though she was giving off sparks like a Tesla Coil
True! She definitely was trying to take him down, and maybe just holding him down was the best option since he’s invulnerable, but it sure seems like there might’ve been more biological weaponry involved if she was really going at it.
Oh worm thou art sick
This is way less impressive than what she threw at Jag
More refined, less pure mass on-site. I don’t think she was *really* trying against jag, just throwing in a spiteful swing to taunt the other demiurges.
Also I think the title text might refer to the World of Gog we saw in the memories, too, and just the idea of Gog not just being a goofy gal.
The virgin “staying human and just destroying the worm gestalt even though you claim yours is the path of mutilation” vs the Chad “trapping Gog’s brain in a single body while you ascend to take rest of the hive mind and use it to do battle with Jagganoth, allowing a parasitic consortium that has done nothing but take for its whole existence to redeem itself by saving all of creation”
Ah well, a man can dream.
Allison is absolutely terrifying at this point, and it’s so earned.
That’s quite enough of that now, thank you.
Shlorp.
“I’m not trapped in a Worm with you, you’re a Worm trapped in me”
And now, the Leviathan Revue is finished. Everyone, we implore you to remain in your seats. The main show is about to begin.
the beast has no will at all
10/10 show, will attend again and again and again and agai-
Do you guys think that all the worms hitting the linoleum sounds like applause
I cannot wait for the HBO/A24 adaptation of this.
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Worm
Turns out the mass actually IS powerless in the face of true royalty.
Of course it isn’t powerless.
The mass will always win. Because whoever wins, becomes the mass.
If Royalty could merely destroy the mass it would do so. But it could not. The mass was simply too powerful, too self-sustaining. So Allison did what true royalty can do, the greatest trick it can pull. She cut and cut down to the heart of the mass, the will that drives it. And she became that will. She made herself the heart of the mass.
The mass would have subsumed her, controlled her, but she was not subsumed, and could not be controlled.
True Royalty is freedom.
Allison had better stop fucking around and get to work if she’s gonna kill all 6 billion
Currently I’m re-reading “Thus Spake Zarathustra”, and am striken how this comic is even more Nietzschean than we have always presumed. Not only is God literally dead here, and not only does it feature will-to-power and superhumans (as well as other superbeings) heavily. There is also the myth of eternal return. Cycles over cycles over cycles over cycles. Huh, love how Abbadon works with sources.
P.S. And yeah, Nietzsche indeed was one hell of misogynistic bastard. In comparison, KSBD is as feminist as Artemis herself. Consider it, those of you who perceive some grivous insult even in the lie* that among innumerable timelines there is at least one where our heroine has married and procreated.
*since there is no truth in the Wheel
This is a bit silly, so the only way for Allison to defeat the Worm or make her bend the wormy knee in obedience was just to hijack and go back on Gog’s own memory line to the beginning and see her in her first original form?
Anybody should be able to do it seeing Worm eaten billions of individuals over the resetting cycles and for sure few other demiurges including Allison few times already cause she has Allison’s past cycle memories in the Wormy soup so she had to either join with her or eat her then in the past.
What makes this Allison special to actually own the situation and the Worm now? I bet it isn’t the first time Allison got the key and lost Cio and her hand special route universe either than being keyless unimportant being eaten on Earth.
I mean, it isn’t exactly “anyone” that can do what Allison’s done. Gog said it herself – most people get fried and ego-death’d the moment they eat the Worm, and the rest probably get snapped up into the hallucinatory realities at some point or another. Most of the people that would accept The Worm are the last people who would stand a chance at actually resisting her mental mind prison – and those who are forcefully devoured, even Demiurges, would have been defeated and broken beforehand, unable to resist. Gog’s very likely never had what Allison was doing before – and that’s why she was so eager to offer the Worm. She said so herself – “I dunno, a big girl like you…You might have a shot”
I also think there’s a misunderstanding on what Gog meant in her whole talk with Allison – it isn’t *literally* Allison each and every time, its someone *like* her – dragged along into the madness alongside The Heir and killed off in the third act to be meat. What makes this Allison special is that she is on the path of Royalty.
Yeah it isn’t like she just did a whole training arc with Maya that was literally all about choosing her own fate and maintaining her sense of self to survive or anything like that.
Oh yeah lmao people be forgetting about the Maybe Sword. Honestly I think so many people forgetting is kind of cool. We were told that this would be fine because she has the ability to control her own fate and drama happened regardless.
It’s a special combination of strength and weakness, possibly unique to Allison.
Weaker challengers take the worm and are consumed.
Stronger, more royal challengers disdain the worm. They have cut away relationships and sentiment. They do not take the worm for their own purposes and they would not do so to save a former lover.
Allison is strong like tempered steel but still human and attached. She took the worm for her friend and won. This is rare enough to be unique, even in 30 kalpas.
Did Allison beat Gog by doing the same trick Meti showed her how to do in order to survive the Maybe Sword? Changing her own fate, when she had been fated to join the Worm? It could have gone either way and Allison switched maybes.
Not Meti, Methangi. I am silly and without coffee and it is early in the morning
ActionKermit. You ask well. First I will speak on the Maybe Sword, for it seems you and I apprehend it differently. Whilst I am not poisoned by the sword, I know something of living and dying.
The Maybe Sword cuts those that are ruled by Fate, that is, they do not Choose for themselves. They are Chosen for. They cannot choose to live, and so, they are not truly Alive. In this way of seeing, the maybe sword dispels the illusion.
As incarnations, we have not only a soul, with its own attunements, desires, and ‘path-of-moving-towards. We have been gifted with an ego, the factotum of the conscious mind.
Oftentimes it can be that the ego elects itself Emperor of the self, and casts (or thinks to cast) the soul into the hazy past or the devil-shadow of the unreal. Such was the issue with my early siblings, and we see it writ large in White Chain and Solomon’s stories.
Those of us with this disposition construct a Mighty Self, and think we have a great power of Choosing, but it feels hollow because we are disconnected from our souls. As such we are always troubled, and the power weighs heavily on us, as sourness or resentment. Stoicism becomes a refuge, affecting piety, achieving cope. We yearn for a Total Victory, but find ourselves always in a losing position that must be shored up, ever shored up, by a conscious exertion of our own Will.
Consider what Prim learned of watchfulness.
Consider what the first of her Order learned from Prim.
You are right, of course.
When the ego becomes the midwife of the soul, its executor on the material, and agent within the Self, we are not shackled by Fate, but instead actualize something else. We breathe with Yisun. We are alive.
Next. We speak of Gog.
Gog was drawn to the Allison of this cycle with a peculiar ferocity.
Consider what attraction is, at its essence.
Love is about change.
“Admit that you need me.”
We meet Gog as the runt of the demiurges.
Bitter, jaded. She craves recognition. She is petty, needy.
We must imagine Gog lonely.
Why?
Some of us do not understand how relationships work.
Relationship is a skill that must be taught.
“I can only feel connection if you and I are the same”
“I can only feel visible if you and I are the same”
Gog is lonely because she destroys the Other and makes it Gog.
What she cannot make Gog, she covets or denigrates or ignores.
Consider this way of living:
“Either I consume you, or you consume me”.
This is a truth in which relationships cannot exist.
Allison was consumed, but not obliterated.
Allison did not retailiate, did not consume Gog.
“Instead of being a part of you, you have a little part of me”.
Allison gave Gog the gift of her-self.
Something which could not be made Gog.
Something which could not be destroyed.
The first seed of transcendence.
Consider:
Alison did not defeat Gog.
Alison defeated Gog.
Blessed be the path.
I am enlightened. My thanks will endure through the wheel’s turnings.
And then she slips in the gore and falls on her arse, ruining the moment.
Amazing.
The silliest and strangest of the lords becomes the most disturbing and horrifying in just a single chapter of a long running series.
There was always something mildly disturbing about her, but I certainly didn’t see the full blown existential horror that was to come.