I just realized that he has none of the stuff sticking out of him visible, particularily the stuff on his arm, leg, shoulder, and the longer spears on his back.
Murder for power! power to end murder! blood for the blood god! blood on the corpse throne! corpse throne for the red shorts! red shorts for the jaggahog! Jaggahog to murder to end existence to end murder and suffering! Blessed is the coming climax of blood!
Those who have gained power are prone to cling to it with desperation no matter how infeeble, corrupt and unworthy of the power they have become. Now and then the top of the tree needs to be cut for the rest of the organism to live.
Sounds like Yaun is grappling with his own monstrosity here. The ambiguity of “such a man” implies he’s including himself in that indictment. He hasn’t yet become Destroyer of the Seven Part World, but this reasoning will eventually become his justification for taking up the mantle.
To purge the world of monsters, become the greatest monster of them all.
No because there is nothing that should exist, existence is and the challenge of all that exists is to accept itself. Meaning is not given, rather chosen.
The Staff May Be a Peasant's Weapon But It Is Also Hella Nice
I love how this prologue to the volume is a summary of both Jagganoth’s “virtue” side and his foolishness.
Of the Seven, good old Jaggs is the only one who holds hatred for the system. Instead of deciding to take his slice of the pie and enjoy it or thinking “well, it’s not that the multiverse as it is ordained right now is bad, it’s just that it had bad rulers, me the good ruler will make it good” he sees it as it is: a wheel that crushes far too many people under it. There is no redeeming the current order. Any iteration that ends with demiurges and Metatron meddling with its fate it’s rotten to its core.
But that’s also where he fails. You’ve heard “The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s House” and Jagganoth is not using the Master’s Tools. HE IS the tool itself. And stupid powerful tool, a tool so big and heavy it can break the head of any other demiurge. A being so violent he could walk inside Khorne’s throne room and murder him in front of everyone else with absolute impunity.
Invulnerable, unreachable, without equal, a chonker of an apocalypse, “frankly, perhaps too much”… and yet infinitely powerless to achieve the only thing he really desires. To alter the order he hates so much.
I mean, dude had like billions of iterations to do it by now. Maybe those nails of him nail (heh) him to the wheel too much to do it.
Jagganoth may have a point but, at the same time, I’d argue that his vision is too limited. Even if he succeeds at killing Jantris, what’s to prevent another Jantris in generations to come from arising again?
More importantly, just because the evil leader is gone, what’s being done to prevent the systemic corruption and failures from hurting still more people even after his death? Jantris may be bastard, but ultimately he’s just a flavor of the month. There will always be another Jantris. Stalin is gone but Putin arises. It’s *the system* that is broken. It’s the system that is corrupt. It’s the system that allows cruel men to exploit it.
A better system would keep such men away from the levers of power.
Jagga is not a revolutionary, he’s just vigilante.
So it’s interesting that Jagga started by focusing on an individual but then realized it’s the system that has to be destroyed and made completely anew. However, in the eons since, he has given up hope that it ever change.
Instead he merely destroys only to see the all forms and trends he’s seen many times before re-emerge from the ashes. And apparently he can’t think of any way to break the cycle.
But Alison is different, her involuntary possession of the key is probably the first new thing to happen in the multiverse in eons. Maybe this time around, the wheel can be broken?
I think I’d go with: “That’s fine. Go right ahead Jantris. We’ll just wait out here until you’re done with the psychopathic monster in the tower there.”
Yaun is the giant who becomes Jag, Jantris is the one who conscripted him into the Deadmen and functionally set him on the path of becoming what he is.
AAAAAAAH! i’ve just gorged myself on this over the last few days and i’m now up to date my voracious consumption has come to a crashing halt… That’s what i get for mainlining such glory
Should such a man exist?
Does it matter? The fact is he exists.
Join him, rebuke him, flee from him, slaughter him, forget him, adore him; whatever causality makes you choose to do, the man exists. And ending his life won’t mean his existence has been undone, just finished.
Nope. Kill’im and grill’im, I say.
oi loremasters hasnt the name “yaun ten jantris” come up before? am i misremembering?
Yes. Yaun is Jagganoth’s original name. Ten Jantris means he was the ‘student’ of Jantris, the jerk on this page. Well one of the jerks.
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I just realized that he has none of the stuff sticking out of him visible, particularily the stuff on his arm, leg, shoulder, and the longer spears on his back.
Pretty big art oversight I’d say.
Perhaps off-panel, he performed a small orison, or maybe simply flexed a bit, and all of his unconventional acupuncture accessories promptly fell out?
one time and one time only!
Zodd vs the Lich!
Murder for power! power to end murder! blood for the blood god! blood on the corpse throne! corpse throne for the red shorts! red shorts for the jaggahog! Jaggahog to murder to end existence to end murder and suffering! Blessed is the coming climax of blood!
Not even Snickers offerings can save you now, Jantris
I was wondering why Incubus and Jagganoth would be allies at all. Didn’t expect the seeds to be so far into their backstories.
Those who have gained power are prone to cling to it with desperation no matter how infeeble, corrupt and unworthy of the power they have become. Now and then the top of the tree needs to be cut for the rest of the organism to live.
Sounds like Yaun is grappling with his own monstrosity here. The ambiguity of “such a man” implies he’s including himself in that indictment. He hasn’t yet become Destroyer of the Seven Part World, but this reasoning will eventually become his justification for taking up the mantle.
To purge the world of monsters, become the greatest monster of them all.
Should such a man exist?
I always enjoy Yaun’s eloquence
Don’t be so judgemental, Jagganoth. Nobody’s perfect.
No because there is nothing that should exist, existence is and the challenge of all that exists is to accept itself. Meaning is not given, rather chosen.
I love how this prologue to the volume is a summary of both Jagganoth’s “virtue” side and his foolishness.
Of the Seven, good old Jaggs is the only one who holds hatred for the system. Instead of deciding to take his slice of the pie and enjoy it or thinking “well, it’s not that the multiverse as it is ordained right now is bad, it’s just that it had bad rulers, me the good ruler will make it good” he sees it as it is: a wheel that crushes far too many people under it. There is no redeeming the current order. Any iteration that ends with demiurges and Metatron meddling with its fate it’s rotten to its core.
But that’s also where he fails. You’ve heard “The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s House” and Jagganoth is not using the Master’s Tools. HE IS the tool itself. And stupid powerful tool, a tool so big and heavy it can break the head of any other demiurge. A being so violent he could walk inside Khorne’s throne room and murder him in front of everyone else with absolute impunity.
Invulnerable, unreachable, without equal, a chonker of an apocalypse, “frankly, perhaps too much”… and yet infinitely powerless to achieve the only thing he really desires. To alter the order he hates so much.
I mean, dude had like billions of iterations to do it by now. Maybe those nails of him nail (heh) him to the wheel too much to do it.
Should such a man exist? Why yes!
Without such strong role models and mentors to as Jantris, how would the next generation of villains ever be inspired to learn their craft?
Guy’s really giving back to the community.
…he’s not wrong.
Jagganoth may have a point but, at the same time, I’d argue that his vision is too limited. Even if he succeeds at killing Jantris, what’s to prevent another Jantris in generations to come from arising again?
More importantly, just because the evil leader is gone, what’s being done to prevent the systemic corruption and failures from hurting still more people even after his death? Jantris may be bastard, but ultimately he’s just a flavor of the month. There will always be another Jantris. Stalin is gone but Putin arises. It’s *the system* that is broken. It’s the system that is corrupt. It’s the system that allows cruel men to exploit it.
A better system would keep such men away from the levers of power.
Jagga is not a revolutionary, he’s just vigilante.
That’s jagganoth’s point exactly when he wants to destroy and rebuild reality.
So it’s interesting that Jagga started by focusing on an individual but then realized it’s the system that has to be destroyed and made completely anew. However, in the eons since, he has given up hope that it ever change.
Instead he merely destroys only to see the all forms and trends he’s seen many times before re-emerge from the ashes. And apparently he can’t think of any way to break the cycle.
But Alison is different, her involuntary possession of the key is probably the first new thing to happen in the multiverse in eons. Maybe this time around, the wheel can be broken?
I think I’d go with: “That’s fine. Go right ahead Jantris. We’ll just wait out here until you’re done with the psychopathic monster in the tower there.”
Yaun is the giant who becomes Jag, Jantris is the one who conscripted him into the Deadmen and functionally set him on the path of becoming what he is.
Look, I’m typing from the point of preincarnation here. My name is ‘-1 Truth is a Matter of Perspective’, not ‘1 Truth is a Matter of Perspective’.
I’m glad I only have as few typos as I do.
It’s not about whether he should or shouldn’t, but the fact that he does.
Sucking arterial blood… That is a very nice writing detail. Makes it easy to visualize and feel. Good job with this one
First and Forsaken Lion soundin-ass.
Well, that was a blast from the past
AAAAAAAH! i’ve just gorged myself on this over the last few days and i’m now up to date my voracious consumption has come to a crashing halt… That’s what i get for mainlining such glory
Should such a man exist?
Does it matter? The fact is he exists.
Join him, rebuke him, flee from him, slaughter him, forget him, adore him; whatever causality makes you choose to do, the man exists. And ending his life won’t mean his existence has been undone, just finished.
The best graphic novel I’ve ever read, I just recently discovered this comic.
“future corpses” is my new gender-neutral form of address for a group of people