The demiurges are all different answers to Meti’s question. What next? How do you use functionally infinite power? If you’re Mottom, drain your people dry, if you’re Solomon David, hold the world in perfect stasis, etc. It’s telling that even the relatively well-intentioned answers to Meti’s question are horrorshows.
On a related note, I don’t agree with Allison here. A sword is a neutral tool, but its presence creates an irresistible temptation for violence. The only moral act, once you have claimed ultimate mastery of the universe, is to let go. Protect the rat, then break the sword. Jagganoth is closest to being right – he knows that people like him are antithetical to life – but his solution also involves omnicide, which is not ideal.
I get where you’re coming from, but I heavily disagree. If you do ‘let it go’, then the Wheel continues to turn since some rancid asshole will show up and rise to the point of demiurges again. You have to maintain oversight, but only step in when the powermad become noticeable, and strike them down when they become impossible to stop by non-divine means.
Be not an inconsequential idealist, but a fervent champion.
I doubt it’s that much of an argument, since I think we are just looking at two different ways to do the same thing. Like if I was a demiurge, I’d make it so that Newton’s Third Law works socially instead of just with physics.
What I mean: Instead of a narcissist bullying someone and they cower due to fear and give the bad guy what they want which rewards them and increases their power, they’d fight back in equal measure. The only way anyone could go forward is by actually raising each other up mutually instead of using other people’s faces as stepping stones.
I’d naively say that Alison is approaching a kind of perfect detachment, the kind of thing many mystics spend years in various ways trying to attain. A lot tragic things have happened to her but at the same time, these tragedies have also freed her from entanglements.
It is true and very sad that most of her friends have died but, at the same time, she doesn’t have to protect them anymore.** In Mammon’s vault, she learned to understand and master her doubts and emotional drives, this almost turned her into a narcissist and a psychopath but, she even transcended that–almost too late. Jadis showed Alison her own death but she decided to not be worried about it or the details around it. This was also liberation. Maya showed her, perhaps inadvertently, that the form a weapon takes is immaterial.
I’m no philosopher but, I’d say all of these events and lessons are about liberation, about detachment. Nirvana is about transcending attachment and attaining true enlightenment to finally break the cycle of rebirth and death.
My feeling is that Alison is well on her way there.
Maybe her satori will occur when she just walks up to Jagganoth and tells him to cease to be. Then he’ll vanish as the blood-soaked illusion he *always* was.
Serenity is achieved when you balance certainty and uncertainty, knowing how you’ll walk a path but being comfortable with not knowing where the path is going.
I love Maya being aghast that someone would think that swords aren’t the coolest, most important things in the world.
(Yes, I know “sword” in her thinking stands for any implement of violence and indeed violence itself)
All the older demiurges have become increasingly extreme, more black and white and rigid in their thinking and philosophy, and even Maya for her wisdom is not an exception to this. She can only think of the world in terms and in relation to the Sword Law.
Al Yis-un went full Unlimited Blade Works on us. “I don’t know if it’ll be worth it or if I’ll ever find my own peace, but what matters is that I tried anyway.” Shirou Emiya-looking ass. All that was missing was an epic swordfight between her and Maya.
Beware those so-called Wise Men and Women who claim to have found the ‘Answer’ to ‘Questions’ that do not matter to you.
Nothing is ‘Correct.’ So, Everything can be ‘Right.’
What matters, what has always mattered…
Is how far along you can walk on the Road, with whatever you can carry, whatever ‘Answer,’ ‘Question,’ ‘Truth,’ or ‘God’ that you bring with you to your ‘End.’
And should you wish to continue walking, but you are being weighed down by whatever…
Then remember: the Sanctioned Action is to Cut.
The Great Enemy has always been the one called, “I.”
honestly, knowing for sure that you’re gonna survive for another 35 years makes everything a lot easier no? what a privilege. if i saw her god key carrying ass i’d be pretty pissed. why does she get to not get ripped to shreds by blasts or swords or bombs or gravity and be wiped from the world? and now she knows she’s safe for another 35 years. well nice one. like she wasn’t invulnerable and cocky enough.
what i dont understand is that allison did a minor in philosophy, when she seems to have no interest or capacity or training for thinking deeply about such unsolvable questions as posed here
She’s avoiding looking at us. Hi Allison! You’re doing so great!
stabbing swords might be phallic.
not convinced slashing swords or cleaving ones are though.
Well there definitely isn’t anything manly about The Butcher’s Cleaver from Diablo 1.
Thats adult movies missrepresentation. Swords come with many shapes and sizes
The demiurges are all different answers to Meti’s question. What next? How do you use functionally infinite power? If you’re Mottom, drain your people dry, if you’re Solomon David, hold the world in perfect stasis, etc. It’s telling that even the relatively well-intentioned answers to Meti’s question are horrorshows.
On a related note, I don’t agree with Allison here. A sword is a neutral tool, but its presence creates an irresistible temptation for violence. The only moral act, once you have claimed ultimate mastery of the universe, is to let go. Protect the rat, then break the sword. Jagganoth is closest to being right – he knows that people like him are antithetical to life – but his solution also involves omnicide, which is not ideal.
I get where you’re coming from, but I heavily disagree. If you do ‘let it go’, then the Wheel continues to turn since some rancid asshole will show up and rise to the point of demiurges again. You have to maintain oversight, but only step in when the powermad become noticeable, and strike them down when they become impossible to stop by non-divine means.
Be not an inconsequential idealist, but a fervent champion.
It’s nice to know what we would argue about, were we seated across the table from each other at a concordance of demiurges.
I doubt it’s that much of an argument, since I think we are just looking at two different ways to do the same thing. Like if I was a demiurge, I’d make it so that Newton’s Third Law works socially instead of just with physics.
What I mean: Instead of a narcissist bullying someone and they cower due to fear and give the bad guy what they want which rewards them and increases their power, they’d fight back in equal measure. The only way anyone could go forward is by actually raising each other up mutually instead of using other people’s faces as stepping stones.
So you’d be a soul raper. Reaching into the fundamentals of the spirit and twisting and warping to find your perfection. Horrifying.
Ick. I shouldn’t have checked the comments again.
I’ll simplify it severely for you.
No rapist or genocidal madman or serial killer would ever be capable of victimizing anyone anywhere even one time.
Light vs L
Is a clit shaped weapon a dagger or a battlesuit?
This has nothing to do with anything, but do you think Al-Yisun will wear Cio’s Coat of Arms?
I’d naively say that Alison is approaching a kind of perfect detachment, the kind of thing many mystics spend years in various ways trying to attain. A lot tragic things have happened to her but at the same time, these tragedies have also freed her from entanglements.
It is true and very sad that most of her friends have died but, at the same time, she doesn’t have to protect them anymore.** In Mammon’s vault, she learned to understand and master her doubts and emotional drives, this almost turned her into a narcissist and a psychopath but, she even transcended that–almost too late. Jadis showed Alison her own death but she decided to not be worried about it or the details around it. This was also liberation. Maya showed her, perhaps inadvertently, that the form a weapon takes is immaterial.
I’m no philosopher but, I’d say all of these events and lessons are about liberation, about detachment. Nirvana is about transcending attachment and attaining true enlightenment to finally break the cycle of rebirth and death.
My feeling is that Alison is well on her way there.
Maybe her satori will occur when she just walks up to Jagganoth and tells him to cease to be. Then he’ll vanish as the blood-soaked illusion he *always* was.
Or maybe not. :-):-)
Master of the Now
God bless you for doing the anatomical work on drawing the awkward things that are ears
Allison identifies as shounen.
Serenity is achieved when you balance certainty and uncertainty, knowing how you’ll walk a path but being comfortable with not knowing where the path is going.
How delightfully satisfiyning! Truly, sometimes the most needed answer to the deep philosophical questions that plague Creation is:
“That’s stupid. Who cares?”
Clearly Meti never heard the story of Zen Master and the little boy.
I love Maya being aghast that someone would think that swords aren’t the coolest, most important things in the world.
(Yes, I know “sword” in her thinking stands for any implement of violence and indeed violence itself)
All the older demiurges have become increasingly extreme, more black and white and rigid in their thinking and philosophy, and even Maya for her wisdom is not an exception to this. She can only think of the world in terms and in relation to the Sword Law.
Whatever happens, happens.
YISUN then demonstrated to the assembly of War Gods his secret Perfect Stroke.
Using this, he spread butter perfectly across all the assembled slices of bread.
“This technique cannot be surpassed,” said YISUN.
Al Yis-un went full Unlimited Blade Works on us. “I don’t know if it’ll be worth it or if I’ll ever find my own peace, but what matters is that I tried anyway.” Shirou Emiya-looking ass. All that was missing was an epic swordfight between her and Maya.
Nothing is True. Everything is Permitted.
There is no End to the Road.
Thus, the Road only Ends when you decide it does.
Beware those so-called Wise Men and Women who claim to have found the ‘Answer’ to ‘Questions’ that do not matter to you.
Nothing is ‘Correct.’ So, Everything can be ‘Right.’
What matters, what has always mattered…
Is how far along you can walk on the Road, with whatever you can carry, whatever ‘Answer,’ ‘Question,’ ‘Truth,’ or ‘God’ that you bring with you to your ‘End.’
And should you wish to continue walking, but you are being weighed down by whatever…
Then remember: the Sanctioned Action is to Cut.
The Great Enemy has always been the one called, “I.”
Certain tarots place 0 after XXI.
Allison is observant.
I really like this page probably because I’ve been asking myself this question on a smaller scale.
honestly, knowing for sure that you’re gonna survive for another 35 years makes everything a lot easier no? what a privilege. if i saw her god key carrying ass i’d be pretty pissed. why does she get to not get ripped to shreds by blasts or swords or bombs or gravity and be wiped from the world? and now she knows she’s safe for another 35 years. well nice one. like she wasn’t invulnerable and cocky enough.
what i dont understand is that allison did a minor in philosophy, when she seems to have no interest or capacity or training for thinking deeply about such unsolvable questions as posed here
I love this a lot