KING OF SWORDS 10-168
Chapter: 10
“Now I will make of this stone Earth and Water both,” said Intra, standing in front of the blaze.
“And air too, I suppose,” jested Yem Yeddo, the richest man in the vale, and all his men laughed.
But Intra did not. He took his proclamation very seriously. At this point, he had been sober for months and had a headache.
– The Song of Maybe
Character growth! We love to see it. Also now the “Punched God in the face” club has two members now.
Cio didn’t really get much opportunity to punch one in the face, but she did steal from one. Could she join the club on a technicality?
I’d argue that she definitely hit Mammon where it hurt most.
Sibling, your name is rad as hell.
Her face is rad as hell
Reach true friendship through violence.
Worms first.
(this comment not bought or endorsed by worms.)
Worms before diamonds
Oh, worm?
Reminds me of Lyrical Nanoha. Finding true friendship through excessive firepower.
This is the Digimon way.
But just you watch, in Gog-Agogs mind, she deserves all the credit for said god-face-punching.
I am incredibly happy and satisfied about the development of this arc. Not satisfied because it stays in my comfort zone or anything, but because the way it is expanding is making me feel strong, positive emotions and I can’t thank you enough for that Abaddon.
Very very well said, and I agree.
I agree alsoi. Thank you for expressing the sentiment so well.
a “the true treasure was friends we made along the way” moment…
The sequel to Friendship is Magic that none of us knew we wanted
Speak for yourself; I knew I wanted this
It is worth remembering that steel is stronger than iron, not because it is tougher, but because it is more flexible.
Stand not an empire upon a single pillar, for it takes but a single crack to bring the whole foundation down.
(breaks character)
Okay, but did you SEE what happens when Solomon David flexes? Abs of steel!
Err… not to be that guy, but that isn’t why steel is stronger than iron.
In fact I’m pretty sure iron is more ductile than steel, that’s why it was more commonly used for maille armour. Links could stretch more before popping.
For both Iron and Steel it’s *all* about the carbon content. Pure Iron is incredibly soft and damn near useless, but throw in some carbon and now we can talk. Pig Iron (what Iron Ore is usually – at least since the 17th century – smelted into) has a carbon content of about 3-4%.
Carbon steel – the most common and simple steel alloy(s) used – has 2% or less carbon. The more carbon the harder and more brittle the metal.
For weapon-smithing and tools; too little carbon will create a soft blade that has difficulty holding an edge and won’t be useful very long. Too much carbon and your blade will be sharp AF, and it will hold that edge, but it will break if you look at it wrong.
(ok, not *all* about the carbon content. The quality and purity of the ore matters as well, obviously. It’s the main reason Japanese swordsmiths are/were so revered: they created beautiful and useful weapons from completely shit ores. And they had to work way harder than most western weaponsmiths to create steel of the same quality.)
The tempering rate is really important too, especially if you have shitty Japanese Ores, and need to make a composite blade with a hard edge and a flexable spine. The type and size of carbon crystals that form inside the metal can vary from one part to another.
Masamune claimed he had to search for decades to find a river bank that had the right kind of mud, to build his smithy at, because he would press handfuls of mud onto the metal to quench it.
This left a visible difference in the color of the two parts of the blade, after quenching, and the artistic designs he made using that single line dividing gray and darker gray became a calling card that sword connoisseurs can recognize today. Like, how do you create a body of artistic work that distinctive in a medium that limited, while still making swords that are not only functional, but hundreds of years ahead of the rest of Japanese swordcraft.
(To the point that 300 years later, a guy would see a Masamune in action and say, “Wow. That’s a really sharp katana. Too bad about the wear.” Not realizing that the sword in question was not only stupid old, but had survived abuse that would simply shatter a normal katana. Later it was lost when the Americans looted Tokyo in WWII.)
This is what I love about the internet. It can take a small comment and turn it into an impromptu lecture on metallurgy.
Oh, what a great boon for a seeker such as I!
This is actually pretty true.
All steels (including iron) have similar elastic moduli. The key difference is differing yield strain, which is increased by interstitial carbon resisting dislocations.
Iron and ductile steels are tougher than hardened steels because they deform a ton in the plastic region. Some ductile alloys even achieve their ultimate strength in the plastic region during strain hardening. But in the end the brittle, hardened steels have by far the greatest strength.
Lessons also learned this book:
1. Be Yourself
2. Stand up for your beliefs
3. Don’t be afraid to mimic a better fighter’s form
Lesson #4: God’s don’t get punched in the face.
and THE MASS REMEMBERS
No love for
#5: The true strength is the friends you made along the way
, I see.
1. I am the Narcissist, the Bigot, the Demagogue, the Plunderer.
2. I believe in the weak fending for themselves, I believe the world is mine for the taking, I believe in victory against friend and foe alike.
3. My foes proclaimed my words to be false; So I convinced the people that my enemies’ words were false instead. Upon the platforms which my foes rallied people against injustice and ignorance; So I have found I can rally the people against equality and rational thought instead.
I learnt well the lessons you have learnt, and from them I shall reap great profits. The best profits.
Grophit!
To quote the followers of the Grand Dragon:
“Pity Him.”
One thing I always love about this comic is how every single villain is someone you can sympathize with. The problems of the universe aren’t caused by any sort of pure malevolence, but by beings who have believed themselves right, acted to assert their view on the world, and proven to be strongly, *strongly* mistaken in their beliefs.
And then there’s Mottom…
And Incubus…
Even Incubus personnal worldview was shapped by him growing in the streets with the trash until he was like 12 and then by Motti who did nothing to correct or discourage the sociopathic and nihilist tendencies he had developped, if anything she encouraged them to prove a point to Maya (and probably because she is kinda nihilist herself from what we know).
And Gog-agog, there’s nothing you can sympathise with that… Its not even human
inb4 gog used to be the lowliest servant, a literal worm who was meant to be insensate but gained sentience, power, and a claim to royalty because it was created to cleanse Throne of the brains of the 777,777 divine corpses and is a psychopathic man child with fear and envy of every person who ever had emotional connections, loved ones or genuine feelings, which she knows she will never have
Even Mottom isn’t a total monster.
She perpetuated the cycle of conquest, abuse and exploitation because she believed that it was the only way to hold onto her power, and if she relinquished it, someone even worse would steal it away. She wasn’t that different from Solomon David in that regard.
Now that she’s gone on this mad quest to get revenge on Alice for “helping” her, I don’t know so much.
If someone pushes you over the brink of madness, are they responsible for all the way you had to walk to get there?
(Yes, sure, they could, like, NOT PUSH YOU, but)
the contrast between this and the first time we saw michael making white chain cry is really, really a lot
Truly the Demiurges are excellent teachers. Between the seven of them they demonstrate every mistake one should not make.
The populace looks to the Demiurges as the pinnacles of sin and virtue. I have a proverb for any flame that sees fit to depart from the causeway of their own mistakes:
“Meditation is a gamble. You wager your time and your focus, both of great value. The risks involved can result in greater self-hatred, increased recklessness, and a thoroughly agitating chain reaction to everyone in your reach who must suffer your subsequent mood. And the reward when you overcome those risks?”
“Your soul and the flame it radiates will begin shaping timeless greatness, compared to your old productions of smoke and ash. The gods call these words and acts ‘wisdom.’ You will begin growing in such a way that no other flame in the multiverse can burn you away.
In RL, the “seven deadly sins” started off in a treatise (paraphrased) “seven distractions that stuff up your study and mediation” — i.e. a revision guide for monks. Only later were they warped into a meme for scaring the laity.
In KSDB, the Seven demonstrate the top things holding one back from royalty. If you just want to be petty and powerful you can weaponize any of their traits (Incubus knows this), but by doing so you prevent your own growth.
B-b-b-but what about the prize?
“Teach Allison to use her Key,” perhaps?
Of the various Demiurges, Solomon David seems the best (highest integrity, least psychotic, most likely to want to) potential teacher.
Yeah I like Solomon David. I don’t actually understand what his fatal flaw is supposed to be…
White Chain received her prize in the instant she punched Salami Dave in the face. AND WHAT A PRIZE.
Sure, but there are other, highly important and time-sensitive things that a wish would greatly help with.
The prize is said to be Zaid.
I would argue that Nyave called dibs on that.
Allison is going to be pissed when she finds out that Nyave has been doing the horizontal hula with Zaid. But it will quickly occur to her that she got the better part of the bargain.
Meanwhile I’m just fiending for the next entry in the tale of how Intra fed a village
I’m still anticipating Intra’s just gonna deck Yem with the rock and dash his brains out.
And then they eat him.
I feel like it’s going to be a melting of the rock to liquid (water) metal (earth), which he is going to use to reforge his sword, or make a new one perhaps, and then go ape on Yem, those freeing the village of his tyranny and allowing them to eat.
Surely it’s going to end with the Stone soup joke (ie boil the chicken/turkey/mutton until the stone is soft, then throw out the chicken)
I hope not…. It would be to obvious for abbadon
Plus Intra is too hung over to think it’s funny.
“Your struggle must be a terrible fire, which only grows as you pass it to others”
Heat impact resonance cascade,
that’s how a firestorm is made.
Reah heaven through violence? Nah, more like reach heaven through friendship.
My experience is that friendship is perceived by others as a form of violence, and that violence inevitably becomes necessary to build and maintain a friendship.
The lonely and jealous are a multitude.
… what kinds of friends do you have. 😐
I would say that violence is not at all necessary for friendship, but I also have a tendency to convert friends into lovers quite accidentally, so make of that what you will.
Oh jeez… being a breaker of the Wheel is nice and all, but personally I want that guy with the towel’s job.
looking back on that one panel of a shirtless Salami Dave before the fight, can’t say I blame you.
The musk of a divine being must itself be divine aka reach heaven through bara
I simply have to imagine that Solomon’s attendants are feeling a little brittle and unsure of themselves. They simply have never have to consider their master anything less than unilaterally victorious. Would anyone one of them dare to try to offer a word of comfort to Solomon?
Abbadon, your art is beautiful, your characters are alive, your story is enthralling, your themes are engrossing, and the sum is even greater than the parts. Thank you for sharing it.
You know, you gotta give it to White Chain. She’s really come out of her shell over the course of the story.
She’s definitely not as stone-cold as she used to be.
Awww, what a heartfelt and thoughtful moment… poor Cio must have bitten her tongue off trying to avoid asking White Chain if she knows how all her bits work/might need a hand or tail figuring stuff out.
Wait, has Allison always been taller than White Chain, or did this flesh upgrade take off a few inches?
No, Allison just happens to be wearing heels at the moment.
Abaddon was previously asked about their heights and said (IIRC): Allison 5′ 7″, White Chain 6′ 1″, Cio 4′ 11″. Don’t think Allison’s heels are that high.
Just a visual metaphor folks, move on.
It actually looks like White Chain might be crouching a bit while she’s apologizing; not a kneel but a similar form of “I am going to put my eye level below yours” gesture. That and heels together seems pretty plausible, anyways.
That seems reasonable. White Chain honestly seems to be a bit taller in the other panels on this page and the last.
willing friends make difficult tasks easier.
=//=
IT’S LONELY AT THE TOP!
No one is mentioning White chain’s number. I bet few have even thought of it. It hardly seems to be important now. The transformation is this significant.
White Chain: “I am not a number. I am a human being! (maybe)”
Man, on this page especially it’s very clear just how much everybody here has grown- in a lot of ways! I think White Chain has smiled more in the last three pages than in the rest of the comic twice-over and my heart can barely take all the happiness that brings me. The power of friendship speech is honestly really fitting here too. Allison is shaping up to be a good future ruler!
SHORT! SHORT! SHORT! SHORT! LOOK AT HER! SHORT! WHITE CHAIN HAS BECOME SO SO SHORT!
(I know it is because Allison is wearing heels but that won’t ruin a perfectly fine day of MOCKING.)
Hey, no size shaming!
Pree Pillar, neither Allison has become taller nor White Chain shorter. Both have become greater. Hence the reason why they’re smiling in the Sixth and Ninth ways.
Allison is just real life subtweeting Solomon isn’t she.
And she knows he can hear everything.
She’s actually saying it rather loudly and being a real asshole about it.
To everyone and to no-one in particular, the true way of the chaotic neutral.
Except the part about Zoss being right, which was said quietly.
Amelie, Reach Heaven Thorugh Really Hurtful Yet Pointed Assessments At Our Resident Avatar Of Patriarchy.
And, you know, through violence.
I have a feeling Lord Intra’s creation of Earth and Water via a stone may be a veiled way of saying that he will spill blood with it. After all, what is the blood of a man, but Water that has been tainted with the living iron of the Earth?
(Also, loving the hell out of these last few panels. It’s beautiful, and brings a tear to my eyes.)
Intra’s story here reminded me of that Grimm’s fairytale in which a small human tailor and a giant enter a battle of strengths. The giant proudly demonstrates his power by squeezing a large rock hard enough to cause water to leak out of it like a soaked sponge.
I’m sure whatever Intra’s gonna do next will be pretty cool ‘n all. But that giant is metal as hell.
I was surprised the story continued after the first one! I took the ending words of “I’ll feed the people with this stone” followed by a cut to black to imply “… and then he killed all the bandits with the stone. The end.”
Solomon being put on blast
It takes a lot of hard work to make the senseless whining of other people into sense and even more to realize you’re doing it as well.
Demiurges themselves put the burden of their kingdom above them, alone they suffer.
Does anyone here know what the best size is to order posters?
I’m considering the largest size but if that’s too high for the native resolution of the art I would probably go for a smaller size. Has anyone ordered?
Thanks in advance.
Heyyy so I have a couple and I got the largest size poster and the images are all pretty clear still. Background characters are sometimes blended but the color let’s you see them vividly still.
I love this. Somehow, the story isn’t just White Chain’s, or Alison’s, but ours, as well.
It feels very much like I’m THERE. Like I experienced this alongside our team, and it’s empowering.
I’m left with hope.
Thank you, Abbadon.
Redfingers is observant
I just discovered this series and I absolutely love it. The artwork is stunningly unique and I’ve never read anything with quite the same premise before either.
The populace looks to the Demiurges as the pinnacles of sin and virtue. Many see fit to compare our failures and successes to them. I have a proverb for any flame that sees fit to depart from the causeway of their own mistakes:
“Meditation is a gamble. You wager your time and your focus, both of great value. The risks involved can result in greater self-hatred, increased recklessness, and a thoroughly agitating chain reaction to everyone in your reach who must suffer your subsequent mood. And the reward when you overcome those risks?”
“Your soul and the flame it radiates will begin shaping timeless greatness, compared to your old productions of smoke and ash. The gods call these words and acts ‘wisdom.’ You will begin growing in such a way that no other flame in the multiverse can burn you away.
An old man with a mirror sees
a threat unto his sovereignty.
He says ‘are you talking to me?’
Okay, boy, this one takes the cake.
At reference, you always were great,
But that meme, waxy, left Dave rekt 🙊
White Chain is actually smaller than Allison now?
But she is right. Thinking that you have to do everything yourself and can´t burden anyone else is a very good way to become very lonely.
You know Vigilant Gaze is ancient when he’s the only one who reaches for the nearest rock to sit on.
Disputed. Solomon also went for a rock to sit on, he just chose a fancy one with a cushion. 😛
Counterpoint; Solomon may not be as ancient, but he is ancient. And diamond-hard.
teehee
“When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.”
― Albert Einstein
I think it time for a group hug. Maybe even with Sal.
Consider: Loneliness is there for you when no one else is.
Never forget who your real friend is.
“Hey Solomon, you wanna grab a beer?”
I thought WC was about a head taller than Allison? Her height seems to keep changing for some reason.
Exploding into a new form might shave a few inches off, but Allison is also wearing heels.
This is a me problem, but I would give white chain a good rather than an excellent teacher rank. White chain had serious limitations in her format, but was an excellent friend and saved our girl multiple times
Friendship is magic?
So Solomon is just going to go back to being God King, slightly saddened by the recent unpleasantness? I was imagining something something more extraordinary, like the opposite of apotheosis – gotterdamerung perhaps?
Meanwhile, White Chain seems barely ruffled here by everything that’s happened. She’s a cool customer, that one. They will never break The Chain.
Theres so many more important things going on here and I fully acknowledge that, however since no one else is really bringing it up:
Height Gap!! Height gap between White Chain and Allison!! this just makes me happy idk why
I’m just appreciating White Chain’s welling tears and relieved smile in panel 4. She’s fragile from the whiplash realization of her victory, the pain and trauma of the fight itself and the emotional turmoil before, but I truly think those tears belie just how worried that she had treated Allison poorly before. That’s…so sweet.
Aww, I love them so much. I was really looking forward to this moment of re-connection; it has familiar echoes. Thank you for letting it play out so expressively. Allison’s reaction has so affirming, and they are both being honest and vulnerable, and plainly adore each other…friendship is magic and stuff! I shall burble happily for a while.
OK, we’ve had a Fusion, and a creature that both a being both human and of light/smokeless fire.
Are we sure this isn’t a Steven Universe fanfic by the long way around?
This does not sound like a complaint. Is it a complaint? I honestly cannot tell. (I am lying, see.)
I wonder how Nyave, Princess, and Zaid are?
We’ll find out RSN, but not until the start of book 5: I think the “long sequence” displaced by Abaddon from the end of book 4 must be Allison and Zaid finally getting to talk and to work things out.
After that, a narrative point of inflexion as Allison has to find new goals *of her own choosing*. It will be a a time of immense growth for her and wonderful to watch.
I love this page and I love their growth. <3
Is it just me, or does Alison’s scar look very Glasgow in the third panel?
I enjoy your skills as a writer and an artist. Thank you
To think one is the only one that can carry a burden, is lonely. To think one is the only one who can carry all burdens, is foolhearty AND lonely.
and a bunch of clones does not make you many, it just means you have many bodies to be alone in.
So glad I came back to this. Such a great story, and the art hits like Planescape but better.
Even the most stoic and mournful of hearts finds solace in a meaty onion broth. Surebaet Rayuba and our new mobile noodle cart, Surebaet Everywhere, offer King Solomon David sincere congratulations on the tournament and on an honorable result–and a free lunch any time he would like to claim it. Long may he rule! Tea is extra.
Surebaet Noodles–it’s a “sure bet” you’ll love your bowl!
Tea may be extra, but are the refills free?
Refills are also extra.
I may or may not be crying over the fact that the comment about Solomon fits a perspective on life I’ve had since birth and have been struggling to overcome. Thank you for this.
It is as Zoss said. The demiurges are as much victims of the wheel as much as they are masters of it. Only through strength beyond strength can one overcome it. And I believe that is the strength that comes from allies. People always come together to create something greater than the sum of its parts.
In less profound talk, I cannot get over how beautiful the human White Chains is. It has been some time, and still it strikes me.
Yesss WC finally admitted being wrong!
This is the real victory.
All is forgiven.
Damn, this writing is gonna have me hooked till i die
Abbadon, i love your artstyle, your characters and first of all the story. But (for me, as a fact of personal judgement) i find this arc less good than others. Don’t mistunderstanding me, i have appreciated a lot the David’s chapters (myself is a David, btw). However i have not adore very much some of the choices you made in this story. For example, you’ve drawn Salami as one of the strongest beeings in the existence, (proven by the Arena genocide), even feared by the other 6 idiots, but defeated by an unknown normal angel (don’t mind if trans or not i support them and i find her development amazing, this has nothing to deal to an individual strenght so i’m not referring to her identity to show her weakness, TLM)? Sorry, but how could not the lots of warriors break the unarrivable Ki rata style, but WC magically becomes as strong as SD and succeds to hurt him? Mmh i find it a strange fact. And at the end the readon of his victory is basically : the power of friendship (read in the lines, it is obv the message). Obv i am not the author and he will have all the reasons to choose that way. I simply thougth about an other altervative ends, with SD end WC in a great battle. But only bc i think it would have been more realistic and even more interesting, (obv a personal opinion). I’d hope and i believe the story will be fantastic and i’ll love it, your artstyle is amazing.
I am using a pacific and personal point of view, do not accuse me of hate or else. Sorry for my bad english, not my first language. See you next wonderful works
One thing to keep in mind is that he wasn’t even *really* beaten– the crowd perceived him as having lost, but White Chain didn’t even draw a drop of blood. And if she hadn’t been an entirely new type of being, that punch would have killed her– he was only defeated because he was facing someone who is the first of her kind in the entire universe.
And White Chain was starting from a position of already being a highly skilled combatant; the lore talks up the combat abilities of angels a LOT, and White Chain specifically continued to do her work long after other angels gave up, so presumably she’s got a lot of combat experience compared to many angels of her same age category. Combining her past experience with something entirely unexpected– and also surviving a blow that *should* have killed her even despite her experience and unexpected tactics, which is even MORE unexpected– is what allowed her to win.
It ended up better than I had suspected, as White Chain barely scuffed his skin by sacrificing her shell and doing something no angel in all of history has ever done.
Remember that White Chain has existed longer than these Demiurges and has shown exceptional skill that even other angels take note of.
I was a bit disappointed and my transhuman sensibilities a bit triggered when she became enfleshed, I felt that implied it was an evolution from immortal energy being which is the exact opposite direction I would want to go. It also risked looking like White Chain being a woman could only be ‘realized’ or fulfilled by having an actual biological female anatomy which can be a harmful message.
Overall here I think it has worked out though. Solomon David is still powerful, he still could have ended White Chain with ease but chose to refrain. The narrative doesn’t seem too judgemental on him, the message seems to be he tried to do what he thought was good but his self-reliance made that peace brittle and Solomon suffer needlessly.
First of all, thank you for your responses, i appreciate your reasonable and pacific arguments. I love discussions like that. So now i’ll reply. I understand your points, but i’d like to point out some episodes which could show and confirm the distance of powers between the characters:
Let’s focuse about SD: we already knew his strenght in the ki rata skills told by Incubus. He showed us SD killing his masters, so he excells in the strongest martial art. In some descriptions of Abbadon, ki rata moves are described as a terrifing tactic (as proven in the arena btw).
SD also became one of the survivors amd victors in the Great War, an other proof of his power. Then, he organized lots of ARENA things, and i think he made sessions too. So he did not decrease in his combactive skills and he improved them. In the chapters, he is even percieved by some demiurges with respect or fear, at the end as a man who you can not offend or assault easily (if a challenging Angel succeds to hurt him, imagine about Agog or Jagganoth, lol).
So i think he was and remains a great and overpowered adversary.
Now we can talk about WC. In the arcs, we saw this angel was not stronger than his brothers, (JS and the mentor for ex), and he had a beginning difficulty to beat a similar.
Then, he obv could not compete in the arc of Mottom, i think bc of phisical skills are not comparable to her Magic, in fact she was “defeated or over field” in a short time.
Obv she trained herself, (but i don’t think only her), and we saw her progress in the Arena arc. But we experienced in the last pages the following facts:
Two angels are incredibly stronger than her, you can admit that ( true she was ‘tired’ but even in the SD fight she was not in a good state)
A demon (weakest class) and an apprentice with a key (her appr)’ fusion fought her and was then beaten by WC but not easily.
SD fight finally: we saw David’s first skills, he was clearly destroing her, without Ki Rata. Then the state of WC is compromised, it seemd she was now surviving.
And now, the important one: ki rata move.
You said she broke SD move bc she was a new entity. But she transormed herself after and not before her break. And focused about a logic: if a well trained angel could reach and fight at the point to hurt SD, how about all the past Arena? Were not there angels who could beat SD in the same way? What about other stronger entities such as a demiurge, or a first class demon?
But most immportant is about how the author draw the characters to us. Sd is portraied as an exisibitionist, and personification of pride. He could not let someone beating him so easily, bc it is against his character ‘s mood and bc he is all he shows. He would never do submission. If the author wanted SD as an entity with a great strenght AND with the first id of fierce soul filled by selfpride, he could not react with the facial expressions shown in the 5, 8 and 9 pages from the last one.
And i do not think WC mutation change her skills, she only reached a human form as called the definitive one (as told by centaurus angel about her brothers), and as seen in the last page, she showed her skill as usual bit in a new form.
Obviously this last point is an opinable ipotesis, but all the past facts i cheched could question the author decision.
Again thanks for your answers, but i do not think i could change this in my mind, maybe next pages will confirm or deny my rational point of view. Hope i will be wrong but i do not think so.
She beat a fusion of a demon who once had a key herself and someone carry not ‘a key’ but THE key. And she did so using a demon slaying art in a way that Ten Vigilant noted never having seen angels manage.
When I said her transformation beat SD it was because she sacrificed her shell, usually a death sentence, in order to touch him and only survived due to the transformation, even if it happened after the hit.
SD still could have just obliterated her right after instead of standing down but he saw the will of the crowd and it stung his pride, I suspect he has decided that they are not worth him holding up the pillars they depend on any longer.
However the theme of solitude and internal flaws in some entities is nice, MOTTOM and MAMMON are amazing. Can’t wait to read about my love JADIS and JAGGANOTH.
wait, does this all mean WC can be permanently killed?
Thanks for taking the time to discuss this, I feel strongly about it and love learning more on this topic. If possible, as you gain expertise, would you mind updating your blog with more information? It is extremely helpful for me.