Each and every word out of Jagganoth’s mouth makes me pity him more and more. How is it that a third-rate assassin such as I understands death better than a colossus that strides atop the world? It is not a blessing, it is cessation. You kill your foes, not those you wish to save. And yet this child with a rusty butter knife presents himself as the savior of all the Wheel. It is not one eye of his that is unseeing, it is his mind and heart.
I started reading this series for the amazing world building and imaginative imagery. Unfortunately it devolved into an anime plot in the likes of Bleach, including a tournament arc…
We’re 7 pages in, and this is set to be the longest book.
Have patience. All things must come to an end in time, it is a natural process, and this just another process you must have faith in.
Okay, assume that Alison gives the Master Key to Jaggy, and he destroys Metatron. Doesn’t he still want to *end the entire universe*? Am I misunderstanding anything here?
I thought the point of the dialogue on the previous page was that Jagganoth’s plan has been misunderstood; that the omnicide is a misconception. The current text make that less clear.
That’s why I’m interested in ideas of passing information into a renewed world. If J. force a reboot with enough information passed on, perhaps he thinks that he can make a new world with perfected versions of all the people in it — minus those he doesn’t approve of? I suspect that’s not feasible and J. has gone completely Upminster, but we really can’t tell yet.
It looks to me from this page that his plan is “omnicide, but” and we don’t know exactly what the “but” is yet. Presumably something to do with Royalty as a continuous cutting motion, given how often he’s saying “cut”.
Additionally, it seems like his original plan was strictly omnicide. That was the advice of Metatron, in any case. I’m not sure the army he was building fits with his new goal.
Ok that’s insulting to Galactus. Dude has to eat something, and at his size the only available options are planets. It’s not like he’s running around doin apocalypses cuz he likes it or thinks they look nice ok he’s just hungry. It’s a subsistence eschaton, don’t lump him in with idiots like Meta and Jag who want to end all worlds for aesthetic reasons.
In multiple canons, it’s been established that he can’t *not* eat a planet, even if he knows it’s poisoned or about to explode or something. Dude would completely flunk out of Jenny Craig.
I would argue that Jagg is not a idiot. His reasons and methods make sense to him and me under his assumptions. The problem is his assumption is wrong. Catastrophically wrong
I am reminded to reinquire about the nature of the dead on throne and their regulation? Who and what makes the rules for their post-mortem existence? Can they be forged anew?
Whose taint is it anyway? Soloman’s, Zoss’s, or Metatrons? I am minding the bollocks too much?
The living? Is the individual division of consciousness the illusion and arguably fundamental problem of existence? (SHINJI!!!)? Or is this a FF Tactics Advance Ivallice twist?
I cant read the alt text on my phone, but we know Jagganoth thinks Allison doesnt understand. Agree with White Chain will be the next step in solving
Jagganoth really should have invested more in marketing if he expected to convince anyone with words. He is really not doing anything right if he wanted Allison’s cooperation.
I guess that’s why he made some kind of deal with Incubus. The plan doesn’t work if you don’t stick to it though. Which is perhaps why Incubus is a bit peeved.
Not much has happened yet, but from what we’ve seen Incubus is aligned with the anti-Jagger demis at the moment. Could he be setting up an epic betrayal? Stay tuned.
Unless you can kindle that civilization to the point that it can protect you as well. Solomon probably wouldn’t be in such a pickle here if he had a clan of loyal ki rata users on his side, trained by him.
Indeed, you’re right. Thus, pride proves itself to be dangerous even when it’s deserved and reveals Solomon David’s most fatal flaw. He wanted someone strong enough to succeed him, but he never taught anyone how to do as such.
Multiple countries having nukes may serve as a deterrent, but I still think it logical that the more people who have something, the more likely it is that someone’s going to use it improperly.
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Depends how far you go with the dispersion. Conventional, risk-averse governments: less risk. All governments, including bonkers theocracies: more risk. Citizens: instant kaboom.
The first time somebody uses 10-fingered Ki Rata to settle a bar fight, the “self-reliant citizens” policy will have to be reviewed.
Solly knows what can happen when you train someone in Ki Rata, they can kill you and betray everything you taught them. That’s exactly what Solly did to his masters.
I wonder if Jagganoth’s trying to goad Solomon David into using a 10-point Kit-Rata strike on him? Since he’s invulnerable that wouldn’t hurt HIM, but it would totally obliterate the city. Getting Solomon David to destroy the citizens he’s pledged to protect might appeal to Jagganoth’s sense of humor (if he has one) and it would certainly break Solomon D.
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The real demons were inside us all along
Each and every word out of Jagganoth’s mouth makes me pity him more and more. How is it that a third-rate assassin such as I understands death better than a colossus that strides atop the world? It is not a blessing, it is cessation. You kill your foes, not those you wish to save. And yet this child with a rusty butter knife presents himself as the savior of all the Wheel. It is not one eye of his that is unseeing, it is his mind and heart.
Thy point is good, but I dare thee to say it to Jagganoth’s face.
Ooh, your ghost is going to be *fun.*
What else would you expect from one who has forgotten his mother?
Strikes with his mind, and kills with his heart.
He has not forgotten the face of his father.
I wonder if any of Solomon’s Emmissaries still exist.
Are Demiurges immune to self-induced rage aneurisms?
Because if they aren’t, then Jugganoth has a genuinely good battle strategy.
YISUN spare us from self-righteous sociopaths.
Is Yisun na the most self-righetous a sociopaths? ‘E is a great liar, violentsome, an quite convinced she is the center of the universe.
Dude’s got a point there.
Yeah, but it’s the point of a sword.
I started reading this series for the amazing world building and imaginative imagery. Unfortunately it devolved into an anime plot in the likes of Bleach, including a tournament arc…
These influences have been around since the beginning. Your fault for not noticing them sooner.
To be fair, it’s got a lot lower ratio of Guyver and The Walking Dead than the original run.
.. feels like this fight’s gonna take the whole book…
We’re 7 pages in, and this is set to be the longest book.
Have patience. All things must come to an end in time, it is a natural process, and this just another process you must have faith in.
Okay, assume that Alison gives the Master Key to Jaggy, and he destroys Metatron. Doesn’t he still want to *end the entire universe*? Am I misunderstanding anything here?
That’s how I understand it as well, though we only have a few short sentences to go by.
I thought the point of the dialogue on the previous page was that Jagganoth’s plan has been misunderstood; that the omnicide is a misconception. The current text make that less clear.
That’s why I’m interested in ideas of passing information into a renewed world. If J. force a reboot with enough information passed on, perhaps he thinks that he can make a new world with perfected versions of all the people in it — minus those he doesn’t approve of? I suspect that’s not feasible and J. has gone completely Upminster, but we really can’t tell yet.
It looks to me from this page that his plan is “omnicide, but” and we don’t know exactly what the “but” is yet. Presumably something to do with Royalty as a continuous cutting motion, given how often he’s saying “cut”.
Additionally, it seems like his original plan was strictly omnicide. That was the advice of Metatron, in any case. I’m not sure the army he was building fits with his new goal.
“Did the ten thousand years before thy birth trouble thee? Well, no more will the ten thousand after thy death.”
Consigned to the aspirations of pitiless stone by mad fools who see only troubles and who know only suffering.
Jag still looks on board with omnicidal nihilism.
He visibly likes the sound of his own voice and learned some fancy words in the millenias.
Rooting for Jag is, to me, the same as rooting for Thanos, Galactus or Charles Manson, with worrying implications.
Agreed.
Galactus changed sides and is a Good Guy now isn’t he?
Possibly, I’m not on board of the latest developments in comics.
I was thinking of the “Let’s snuff out worlds because I wish so” version of Galactus.
Ok that’s insulting to Galactus. Dude has to eat something, and at his size the only available options are planets. It’s not like he’s running around doin apocalypses cuz he likes it or thinks they look nice ok he’s just hungry. It’s a subsistence eschaton, don’t lump him in with idiots like Meta and Jag who want to end all worlds for aesthetic reasons.
“Galactus must feed.”
In fact, that *must* is quite literal.
In multiple canons, it’s been established that he can’t *not* eat a planet, even if he knows it’s poisoned or about to explode or something. Dude would completely flunk out of Jenny Craig.
I would argue that Jagg is not a idiot. His reasons and methods make sense to him and me under his assumptions. The problem is his assumption is wrong. Catastrophically wrong
I am reminded to reinquire about the nature of the dead on throne and their regulation? Who and what makes the rules for their post-mortem existence? Can they be forged anew?
Whose taint is it anyway? Soloman’s, Zoss’s, or Metatrons? I am minding the bollocks too much?
The living? Is the individual division of consciousness the illusion and arguably fundamental problem of existence? (SHINJI!!!)? Or is this a FF Tactics Advance Ivallice twist?
I cant read the alt text on my phone, but we know Jagganoth thinks Allison doesnt understand. Agree with White Chain will be the next step in solving
Ivalice acknowledges that it is an illusion, within the framework of a greater reality.
The Wheel acknowledges that it is an illusion, and refutes a greater reality.
Were I a giant lying Wheel I would tell you the same thing.
No, but what we did expect was the beard getting cut off.
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D O O M
Evade (one-niner)
the bruise, a shiner
on the head of the diviner
Stuntin like my daddy.
Jagganoth really should have invested more in marketing if he expected to convince anyone with words. He is really not doing anything right if he wanted Allison’s cooperation.
I guess that’s why he made some kind of deal with Incubus. The plan doesn’t work if you don’t stick to it though. Which is perhaps why Incubus is a bit peeved.
Not much has happened yet, but from what we’ve seen Incubus is aligned with the anti-Jagger demis at the moment. Could he be setting up an epic betrayal? Stay tuned.
Maybe Jagganoth is the Bearer of the Words “Collateral Damage”
“Ruin” so yeah basically.
Behold the Lord Humungous, Ruler of the Wasteland.
<3 <3 <3 somebody's got to that job.
[cue "Live and Let Die"]
Carrying a civilisation on your back as Solomon David does is a feat of great strength, but it rather does open you up to new weaknesses.
Unless you can kindle that civilization to the point that it can protect you as well. Solomon probably wouldn’t be in such a pickle here if he had a clan of loyal ki rata users on his side, trained by him.
Sadly for him, he doesn’t believe in trust.
Indeed, you’re right. Thus, pride proves itself to be dangerous even when it’s deserved and reveals Solomon David’s most fatal flaw. He wanted someone strong enough to succeed him, but he never taught anyone how to do as such.
Sure, just hand out the equivalent of nukes to everyone
I mean. What could go wrong?
People have gotten nuked a lot less, ever since more than one country has had them.
Nasty thing, the truth.
Multiple countries having nukes may serve as a deterrent, but I still think it logical that the more people who have something, the more likely it is that someone’s going to use it improperly.
Depends how far you go with the dispersion. Conventional, risk-averse governments: less risk. All governments, including bonkers theocracies: more risk. Citizens: instant kaboom.
The first time somebody uses 10-fingered Ki Rata to settle a bar fight, the “self-reliant citizens” policy will have to be reviewed.
Thanks for telling better than I could.
Countries, not individuals.
Imagine if (politician you hate) had the authority to use his personal McNukes.
Solly knows what can happen when you train someone in Ki Rata, they can kill you and betray everything you taught them. That’s exactly what Solly did to his masters.
Yes. And that mistake is just why he doesn’t know how to trust.
> Mistake
Executing the traitors who had the power to save his, and their, home but instead stood to the side and watched wasn’t a mistake.
That’s a take.
Behold our saviour! Witness his conviction, feel its blood-red heat!
Accept his salvation. Fall, unmourned, by his blade.
Sounds fun to me.
Salami D’s got those anime eyes going
I wonder if Jagganoth’s trying to goad Solomon David into using a 10-point Kit-Rata strike on him? Since he’s invulnerable that wouldn’t hurt HIM, but it would totally obliterate the city. Getting Solomon David to destroy the citizens he’s pledged to protect might appeal to Jagganoth’s sense of humor (if he has one) and it would certainly break Solomon D.
I get the feeling he’s trying to break David’s concentration, which is the weakness of Ki Rata’s defensive technique.