It really is interesting how, for all the grotesquery and body horror and the disturbing notion of assimilation that gog has always represented.
Her two greatest moments of being Scary As Shit come in quick succession, and are closeups of her face, as normal as it ever gets.
for my part, my most natural expectation is that it’s Zaid. but, especially given that it’s over a page and update boundary, I suspect an incoming curveball.
potential ones seem like Incubus, Himself..
actually no, I don’t think it’s any of the Seven, I don’t think it could be an angel, and it doesn’t feel right for it to be a devil.
how do any of them remember ?
were they born before the time Zoss resets time to ?
but even so, shouldn’t their neurons and therefore memory be erased as well ?
You know, there’s a problem with Gog’s metaphor/analogy here because beach erosion can occur FAST, a bad storm could wipe out a beach for example and the analogy seems to imply normal erosion isn’t happening because the waves are also moving around the sand, to say nothing of changing sea levels, tides, etc. Beaches are also not usually many miles wide. Also, how far is it from the beach surface to the bedrock?
Issues with the analogy/metaphor/whatever aside, she does get across the vast lengths of time she has existed.
Then said the shepherd boy: “In Lower Pomerania is the Diamond Mountain, which is two miles and a half high, two miles and a half wide, and two miles and a half in depth; every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on it, and when the whole mountain is worn away by this, then the first second of eternity will be over.”
“Aha,” the King said, “But I know that the Diamond Mountain is actually a volcano, and is due to erupt soon, and so its mass will be significantly reduced very quickly!…”
This is very poorly executed pedantry, and I say that as a big pedant myself.
Firstly, Gog says the beach is many miles wide; “not many beaches are that big” is not a problem with the analogy, because she is very explicitly talking about one of the beaches that is. This wouldn’t even be an issue even if NO beaches were that large. If I say, “imagine a mountain that stretches a thousand miles into the sky,” you’re not being clever by replying, “no mountain is that big.”
Secondly, beach erosion is entirely irrelevant. Again, Gog said this in no uncertain terms. She didn’t tell Allison, “let the beach erode, then once it’s all gone….” She told her, “take one grain away by hand every century, then once you’ve taken it all away…”
I hate to give such a long and critical reply to something that ultimately so minor, but I consider it very important for those of us with pedantic tendencies to accept when there’s no pedantry to be had. Sometimes, a thing is just correct, in technicality and beyond.
I think the world has been reset a lot, but nowhere near as many times as some people are guessing. Even a few hundred resets can get monotonous when you’ve got to live through thousands and years each time.
What I’m saying is, I kinda want to see Allison try to break Gog-agog out of the rut she’s in here. Maybe something like “OK, but what about if this cycle we can make it DIFFERENT?” etc etc etc
It’s certainly possible we’re overestimating how long it’s been because by some calculations, Zoss would have had to reuse every possible candidate by 100 times if Gog is being completely literal about the math.
Still, even if Zoss did one attempt on every possible candidate, we’re still talking about hundreds of billions of years.
I suspect the number of times isn’t actually all that important as long as she gets across the fact that it’s been happening for a MIND BOGGLING amount of time.
And yet, this is the performance at the end of the world, where the stakes are highest and the splendor ever-present. Gog Agog can be silly and serious at the same time, but there is never a point that I can remember that she *lies*. So take it with a grain of salt (or sand) and assume that if she is exaggerating, it isn’t by much.
Because I am compelled to: Assuming 10 miles long by 50m broad by 2m depth and an average of 1.5 million sand gains per cubic meter we’re putting an absolute lower bound of 250 trillion years on their age
i did this math with a beach 10 miles long, a quarter mile broad, and 20 feet deep, came up with five quadrillion nine hundred twenty-one trillion three hundred seventy-two billion one hundred sixty million
Does “I took this form” mean Our Pal Gog Agog started life as a human (or humanish) creature, and became an indefinite-infinite number worms for the sake of brain mass? Does the worm-nature factor into her survivability against universal resets?
It does seem like the worms are only able to assimilate humans, or perhaps she can, just prefers humans over anything else because she was originally human?
Since everything (aside from angels and devils which are closer to being beings of pure energy than matter) seems to be carbon based and oxygen breathing, maybe it’s all just materials for the worms?
After living every life. Playing every role.
Slave. Knight. Princess. Empress. Goddess. Tyrant. Liberator. ad infinitum…
She knows that there is no point to creation, life, and death.
She has only one thing left to life for: Emotion. To feel alive after cycles of eternity. Yet it takes more and more for her to feel anything.
Lording over them all was god, whom remade the wheel in an endless samsara.
Oh! Will unCio show up? A devil defying the laws of the black flame to return to the one she loves?
Gog seems a bit of a romantic. Maybe she’ll give Allison a chance then? Help her out for the chance at a slivr of novelty.
A common misconception. Preem Sans did not retain his knowledge with each turning of the wheel. He was merely preternaturally perceptive. Enough to notice discrepancies which implied that such a reset had occurred and to distinguish who was responsible.
Which in truth would make his situation more similar to Jagganoth’s – omnicidal tendencies aside.
42 Spongegirl, Fryer of Patties, Lettuce-Chopper of Night, Forever Ready
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some in ice, others in mud
From what I’ve tasted of blood
I hold with those who favor mud.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
Fire is right out.
The clash of opinions and viewpoints on this thread are something crazy. Or rather, it results me crazy, and terrifying, and worrying in an ironically familiar way.
So, she says the Big Z and not the Big G.
Does she know something about God that the rest of us don’t? That Zoss doesn’t?
Does she know something about Zoss that he doesn’t?
Is Zoss now not merely the conquering King, but God in His truest and most unified form, having forsaken power for true Royalty?
Observing friends, y’all remember during the Discordance? When White Chain observed that Jagganoth was invulnerable but not impervious? That is, feels every blow and all the pain of Godly-warfare but just powers through it? And how this was stated IN AWE of the willpower of the Pankrator King?
Yeah. Ten-Thousand years of face-tanking is chump stuff. That is ~nothing~ compared to remaining lucid after fully experiencing Many Trillions of Years of Nothing But Re-Runs and Re-Makes and Re-Imaginings of the Same Damn Story.
Jags *has a vague notion* of the timeline and it has broken him towards Omnicide. Gog smiles one the gallows, looks over as the noose gets cinched and asks him “First time?”
Why is Gog a literal clown? Same reason YISUN took sumptuous bites out of impenetrable adamantine peaches. Because Eternity tends to go on forever, and fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.
I think there’s only one question that matters here–was Allison present, playing her role, in any of those previous incarnations of the universe? Because if so, then Gog has a good point–this has all happened before. But then why is Gog bothering with this conversation?
If, on the other hand, Allison has never been the chosen one before, if that was an accident even Zoss didn’t intend…
Allison was definetly present in some incarnation, but remember, her Earth doesn’t even have an open gate to it (even though Jagganoth states right in those early pages that it’s part of Mottoms empire, just not claimed, at least this current reset). So, depending on whether she had any role, the majority of it would have been just living her (relatively) mundane life.
I suppose sanity is relative for Gog Agog. She has reached a state that is utterly unlike humans, so, there’s nothing to compare it to. Gods can handle eternity because they’re gods, but Gog Agog is a mortal mind doing the impossible thing for mortals. Theres nothing to really compare it to.
Let me do some math:
The average Beach has around 500 million to 1 billion grains of sand on average per cubic foot.
The Average beach has around 10 to 11 trillion grains of sand, with a rough estimate of 7.5 * 10^18 grains of sand on our entire planet.
Were looking at at least quadrillions of years of failed multiverses, possibly more, considering how long some might last even longer, this isn’t even accounting for the almost certain possibility that even more universes were reset before Gog came into being.
From what she is saying, it seems like she was there from the start, the very beginning being stuff before her time and whatever she lost before she distributed her consciousness.
It really is interesting how, for all the grotesquery and body horror and the disturbing notion of assimilation that gog has always represented.
Her two greatest moments of being Scary As Shit come in quick succession, and are closeups of her face, as normal as it ever gets.
“Let me get serious.”
and
“…how many times has the world been reset?”
[pained smile]
for my part, my most natural expectation is that it’s Zaid. but, especially given that it’s over a page and update boundary, I suspect an incoming curveball.
potential ones seem like Incubus, Himself..
actually no, I don’t think it’s any of the Seven, I don’t think it could be an angel, and it doesn’t feel right for it to be a devil.
Let’s go with Maya. Maya is my second guess.
My guess would be Gog. She’s the one who survives the resets as a linear mind.
how do any of them remember ?
were they born before the time Zoss resets time to ?
but even so, shouldn’t their neurons and therefore memory be erased as well ?
She did something to cheat the system, we know that much.
You know, there’s a problem with Gog’s metaphor/analogy here because beach erosion can occur FAST, a bad storm could wipe out a beach for example and the analogy seems to imply normal erosion isn’t happening because the waves are also moving around the sand, to say nothing of changing sea levels, tides, etc. Beaches are also not usually many miles wide. Also, how far is it from the beach surface to the bedrock?
Issues with the analogy/metaphor/whatever aside, she does get across the vast lengths of time she has existed.
Then said the shepherd boy: “In Lower Pomerania is the Diamond Mountain, which is two miles and a half high, two miles and a half wide, and two miles and a half in depth; every hundred years a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on it, and when the whole mountain is worn away by this, then the first second of eternity will be over.”
“Aha,” the King said, “But I know that the Diamond Mountain is actually a volcano, and is due to erupt soon, and so its mass will be significantly reduced very quickly!…”
“Fuck you,” replied the shepherd boy.
This is very poorly executed pedantry, and I say that as a big pedant myself.
Firstly, Gog says the beach is many miles wide; “not many beaches are that big” is not a problem with the analogy, because she is very explicitly talking about one of the beaches that is. This wouldn’t even be an issue even if NO beaches were that large. If I say, “imagine a mountain that stretches a thousand miles into the sky,” you’re not being clever by replying, “no mountain is that big.”
Secondly, beach erosion is entirely irrelevant. Again, Gog said this in no uncertain terms. She didn’t tell Allison, “let the beach erode, then once it’s all gone….” She told her, “take one grain away by hand every century, then once you’ve taken it all away…”
I hate to give such a long and critical reply to something that ultimately so minor, but I consider it very important for those of us with pedantic tendencies to accept when there’s no pedantry to be had. Sometimes, a thing is just correct, in technicality and beyond.
TFW you lose in a game of monopoly for practically eternity
Allison: “the world has been reset *TWO* times???”
Gog: “allison i am going to need you to be a little more genre-savvy than this…”
LOL!
I think the world has been reset a lot, but nowhere near as many times as some people are guessing. Even a few hundred resets can get monotonous when you’ve got to live through thousands and years each time.
What I’m saying is, I kinda want to see Allison try to break Gog-agog out of the rut she’s in here. Maybe something like “OK, but what about if this cycle we can make it DIFFERENT?” etc etc etc
It’s certainly possible we’re overestimating how long it’s been because by some calculations, Zoss would have had to reuse every possible candidate by 100 times if Gog is being completely literal about the math.
Still, even if Zoss did one attempt on every possible candidate, we’re still talking about hundreds of billions of years.
I suspect the number of times isn’t actually all that important as long as she gets across the fact that it’s been happening for a MIND BOGGLING amount of time.
I mean, does Gog *look* like someone who would be literal and accurate about math?
And yet, this is the performance at the end of the world, where the stakes are highest and the splendor ever-present. Gog Agog can be silly and serious at the same time, but there is never a point that I can remember that she *lies*. So take it with a grain of salt (or sand) and assume that if she is exaggerating, it isn’t by much.
Is it really, though? According to Gog, this is practically just another Tuesday for her.
It’s no biggie in her book, is what I’m saying.
Yes, but it’s Taco Tuesday. No matter how many times it happens, it is still a day with a little extra in it.
Because I am compelled to: Assuming 10 miles long by 50m broad by 2m depth and an average of 1.5 million sand gains per cubic meter we’re putting an absolute lower bound of 250 trillion years on their age
i did this math with a beach 10 miles long, a quarter mile broad, and 20 feet deep, came up with five quadrillion nine hundred twenty-one trillion three hundred seventy-two billion one hundred sixty million
wow… gog is a sans of some kind. next you know shell be drinking ketchup and going e e e e
Does “I took this form” mean Our Pal Gog Agog started life as a human (or humanish) creature, and became an indefinite-infinite number worms for the sake of brain mass? Does the worm-nature factor into her survivability against universal resets?
It does seem like the worms are only able to assimilate humans, or perhaps she can, just prefers humans over anything else because she was originally human?
Since everything (aside from angels and devils which are closer to being beings of pure energy than matter) seems to be carbon based and oxygen breathing, maybe it’s all just materials for the worms?
After living every life. Playing every role.
Slave. Knight. Princess. Empress. Goddess. Tyrant. Liberator. ad infinitum…
She knows that there is no point to creation, life, and death.
She has only one thing left to life for: Emotion. To feel alive after cycles of eternity. Yet it takes more and more for her to feel anything.
Lording over them all was god, whom remade the wheel in an endless samsara.
No wonder the innumerable worms are clowns. She’s been entertaining herself this whole time.
ME
Oh! Will unCio show up? A devil defying the laws of the black flame to return to the one she loves?
Gog seems a bit of a romantic. Maybe she’ll give Allison a chance then? Help her out for the chance at a slivr of novelty.
gog-agog remembers every reset… just like SANS UNDERTALE!?
A common misconception. Preem Sans did not retain his knowledge with each turning of the wheel. He was merely preternaturally perceptive. Enough to notice discrepancies which implied that such a reset had occurred and to distinguish who was responsible.
Which in truth would make his situation more similar to Jagganoth’s – omnicidal tendencies aside.
She did, didn’t she…
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some in ice, others in mud
From what I’ve tasted of blood
I hold with those who favor mud.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
Fire is right out.
First thing I tought
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The clash of opinions and viewpoints on this thread are something crazy. Or rather, it results me crazy, and terrifying, and worrying in an ironically familiar way.
So, she says the Big Z and not the Big G.
Does she know something about God that the rest of us don’t? That Zoss doesn’t?
Does she know something about Zoss that he doesn’t?
Is Zoss now not merely the conquering King, but God in His truest and most unified form, having forsaken power for true Royalty?
You mean YISUN?
I think she’s just being dramatic, pulling off a flair.
Observing friends, y’all remember during the Discordance? When White Chain observed that Jagganoth was invulnerable but not impervious? That is, feels every blow and all the pain of Godly-warfare but just powers through it? And how this was stated IN AWE of the willpower of the Pankrator King?
Yeah. Ten-Thousand years of face-tanking is chump stuff. That is ~nothing~ compared to remaining lucid after fully experiencing Many Trillions of Years of Nothing But Re-Runs and Re-Makes and Re-Imaginings of the Same Damn Story.
Jags *has a vague notion* of the timeline and it has broken him towards Omnicide. Gog smiles one the gallows, looks over as the noose gets cinched and asks him “First time?”
Why is Gog a literal clown? Same reason YISUN took sumptuous bites out of impenetrable adamantine peaches. Because Eternity tends to go on forever, and fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.
Wait… how many bodies does Gog have? It wouldn’t be somewhere on the order of SIX BILLION, would it?
I think there’s only one question that matters here–was Allison present, playing her role, in any of those previous incarnations of the universe? Because if so, then Gog has a good point–this has all happened before. But then why is Gog bothering with this conversation?
If, on the other hand, Allison has never been the chosen one before, if that was an accident even Zoss didn’t intend…
Then the game’s in the air.
Allison was definetly present in some incarnation, but remember, her Earth doesn’t even have an open gate to it (even though Jagganoth states right in those early pages that it’s part of Mottoms empire, just not claimed, at least this current reset). So, depending on whether she had any role, the majority of it would have been just living her (relatively) mundane life.
I wonder how many times she’s gone insane then sane then insane then sane then…
I suppose sanity is relative for Gog Agog. She has reached a state that is utterly unlike humans, so, there’s nothing to compare it to. Gods can handle eternity because they’re gods, but Gog Agog is a mortal mind doing the impossible thing for mortals. Theres nothing to really compare it to.
“Well, I’m already here.” …wtf?
Let me do some math:
The average Beach has around 500 million to 1 billion grains of sand on average per cubic foot.
The Average beach has around 10 to 11 trillion grains of sand, with a rough estimate of 7.5 * 10^18 grains of sand on our entire planet.
Were looking at at least quadrillions of years of failed multiverses, possibly more, considering how long some might last even longer, this isn’t even accounting for the almost certain possibility that even more universes were reset before Gog came into being.
Our odds aren’t looking great here, folks.
From what she is saying, it seems like she was there from the start, the very beginning being stuff before her time and whatever she lost before she distributed her consciousness.