Fasssskinating. I had thought this whole time that how Jadis worked was essentially that by perceiving all of time and space that it was all meaningless to her. And her existence was like constantly remembering something you already did. So just because you know it’s wrong or stupid or a bad idea, you can’t change the past or unsay what you said. Which means Jadis is stuck on her script (Which is why she seems less omniscient than she is; she knows what she’s going to say… even if it’s not what she would have most liked to say) any deviation from the script is impossible because its “already happened” for her since she’s seen the whole story front to back and experiences every moment of it simultaneously…
But this seems to suggest otherwise. Unless those are all Jadis’ sisters who tried before her and Jadis is magicing Alison some backstory to help her on her way.
One perceived this as something Allison did, to show Jadis (and us) just what/how it is that she sees a lot clearer than ever; her key was also just starting to power up as she lit her cigarette.
It would appear that Jadis may do and say things because “that is what I do”, pretty much as you say. But Allison now seems to be able to see multiple (infinite inferred) possibilities: of this point shown in the past – but also, again inferring, that she is now able to do the same for the present and future. If so then she may be able to plot a very rare path indeed.
i gotta say, jadis does seem to be a genuinely kind person. she doesnt like to see pain and suffering, and i imagine that when you know everything that will ever happen, escapism is your only path to sanity. some people play video games, jadis saves lives. its not a bad way to bury your anxiety and sorrow. cios shard was intentional, which means jadis did want allison to come to this realization. she wasn’t trapping her, just giving her a place to take a breather and recover. honestly, jadis is the only person who has left allison well enough alone for long enough that she could make a REAL decision, on her own. like…she could have stopped zaid. that much is clear. but she didnt. she wants allison to know the options and really, truly CHOOSE the way she cannot.
Indeed, she does seem satisfied by this outcome, as much as a being like Jadis can be satisfied. In addition to what all you said, note her small smile right at the end there
Lo! The enkindlers vision is on the inside as it is on the outside.
Rejoice! The witch made matchsticks from the promised emperors splinters and built her own pyre from them.
Contemplate: where does the lemniscate end and the ouroboros begin?
So it’s worth noting some small details, notably jadis has a slight smile, and her right-eye is closed, likely mirroring Alison’s.
Also it occurs to me that Janus has the halo, but not jadis, yet he is speaking in as if this is happening in-real time. It could be that her father, having once possessed the word of knowledge, figured out a way to turn himself into a cognito-virus, living on through his daughters omniscience
I don’t think he’s speaking realtime. He says your power WILL be akin to god, suggesting this is before she actually pulls the trigger on the omniscience engine.
And yet he seems to be remarking on Alison’s mundane upbringing (despite holding the master key). Unless jadis has always had a habit of taking care of commoners.
I see Jadis’ subtle smile and I reckon that or protagonist has unlocked the ability of Jagganoth. One eye that sees better than two. An eye that see’s that Jadis’ wretched existence is stretched thin by her pain. Perhaps our heroine can free her from this amber prison.
Now we begin to see her broken past. She must have been quite the empathetic lady back then, caring for those of lesser social standing, her fathers opinion nonwithstanding.
So, is this Jadis *showing* Allison something, or is this Allison *perceiving* something about Jadis? Allison also saw the shape of creation, but without the background to grasp it as Jadis did. Maybe she’ll still get uncontrollable flashes of insight from this experience, even though she isn’t all-knowing?
As someone who has lived with severe chronic pain for a greater portion of their life, I can tell you from experience. This page really really makes me wish I could still smoke cigs.
Nicotine’s bad rep is somewhat undeserved I would say. The greater amount of the data we have on it is from smoking cigs, so the thousands of other chemicals do rather taint the picture, and the public perception.
It does however multiply rather than add when taken with something else, whether that be anything from other drugs, to even asbestos fibres likelihood of giving mesothelioma.
Is it the cigs themselves (or the ritual)?, or would patches, disgusting-tasting pills, or sprays do? Can’t be on them solidly tho’, as the desired modulating effects do decrease with time.
Anyhoo, certainly not qualified for the offering of medical advice, and ultimately it wasn’t a goer here, due to the need also being chronic, but would still work as a hit as and when (as indeed cigs themselves do).
and this is why she removed the eye, I had my suspicions that it was showing her things that weren’t, now with her own eye she can see as clearly as she can see. The arm is a tool, she holds it and thus it is hers to command, but the eye is the means of the mind to understand the vision of YISUN’s lie, in having Jadis implant her own YISUN’s lie became Jadis’ lie, to see clearly it had to be removed.
Wisdom isn’t seeing well, but perceiving correctly. All of this was already there plain as day, always had been, always will be. Unless the Infinity can be Broken…
As much as you must make the final decision to embrace your own path – it helps to hear someone acknowledge the validity and possibility of that fact to you.
Jadis makes me sad, in so many ways she is someone peering up at me from the bottom of a very deep well with only a very long rope to climb but her arms have atrophied and her teeth have fallen out.
Imagine if she had allowed herself to become a galactic medicanes sans frontiers. It wouldn’t change the outcome of anything but I bet it would have kept her on the ladder.
The other demiurges all seem to acknowledge to some degree or another the choices they have made and a lot of their distinct qualities come with how they have processed and responded to their own versions of regret. Jagganoth almost seems regret-less and maybe the most empowered because of that? Jadis seems to drown in her past and I think, not perceiving the choices as her own but simply ‘what will be’…She seems robbed of the ability to avenge herself. She seems robbed of anger and joy and how is she supposed to want in any measure without these?
It’s interesting though. She speaks on this page and says ‘um’ which is something you say either when you are struggling to find the words or hesitatig to move on which possibly suggests a particularly strong emotional reaction to the bit that comes next.
I read Jadis’s ‘um’s as her trying to remember what she was supposed to say. I feel like Jadis sees her role in everything like an actor in a play- she’s read the script, she’s memorized her lines, she’s read how the story ends.
But I think she’s still proud of Allison for rejecting the apathy that consumes her, even if she thinks it might be pointless in the end.
Jadis’s words on this page seem perfectly cherry-picked to guide Alison towards self-actualization.
And just what is wrong with tending livestock? Hmmm? That means I’m a provider not some stuck up who thinks they matter and does nothing meaningful like contemplate the meaning of nothing. Tending livestock gives one time to do these things.
Good, subverting preconceived prattle meant to cow the foolish is good. Even fools can learn to think for themselves. It changes the nature not one bit. But then they can decide which predetermined course to take on their own. It’s better they pick their own leg to go down in the trousers of time. (puffs on cig, sips coffee) that’s the problem of being unstuck. I never know when anyone talks to me. Now to feed the animals I decides to take care of, it’s down a most delightfully hard leg of the trousers.
Yes, and yet, no. Usage of prophecized has increased a lot this century, as the simple past, and also past participle of to prophecize, which many dictionaries now carry.
Whether this is due to simple lack of knowledge of to prophesy (and so prophesied), or is an active attempt to combat prophecy(n)/prophesy(v) confusion by using prophecy+ize, many people do now use ‘to prophecize’ instead of ‘to prophesy’.
I have an inkling that it’s usage is greater to the west of the pond, and vice verse to the east, but I have no data.
The funny thing about being omniscient is that, while you know everything, understanding is a whole different story. Sometimes, all it takes is a little realization.
Perhaps Janus does somehow know as a pre-eminent vatra, that indeed she should have been born a son, perhaps he did have a son in previous iterations of the wheel – rather than it being just the standard misogynistic denigration of a daughter.
If so it’s interesting that this wheel cycle has an empathic female as Bearer of the Shape, and a female Rising King who is kind more than she is martial.
Enough with the ennui and contentedness. It is time to sharpen your swords and clench your fist. The odds are not in your favour, the universe does not want you to win but it is still in your blood to stand and defy.
42 Fragments the Universe Beyond All Reintegration
Where Jadis’ disparate thoughts become legible, some have appeared as page comments, some not. When they did, I read them as Jadis’ reflections on Allison, a measure of sympathy. But maybe they were actually self pity.
Also, Jadis being called pathetic by her shit of a father recalls Solomon hallucinating “pathetic” from his late wife … just before his last act of awesome.
Fasssskinating. I had thought this whole time that how Jadis worked was essentially that by perceiving all of time and space that it was all meaningless to her. And her existence was like constantly remembering something you already did. So just because you know it’s wrong or stupid or a bad idea, you can’t change the past or unsay what you said. Which means Jadis is stuck on her script (Which is why she seems less omniscient than she is; she knows what she’s going to say… even if it’s not what she would have most liked to say) any deviation from the script is impossible because its “already happened” for her since she’s seen the whole story front to back and experiences every moment of it simultaneously…
But this seems to suggest otherwise. Unless those are all Jadis’ sisters who tried before her and Jadis is magicing Alison some backstory to help her on her way.
One perceived this as something Allison did, to show Jadis (and us) just what/how it is that she sees a lot clearer than ever; her key was also just starting to power up as she lit her cigarette.
It would appear that Jadis may do and say things because “that is what I do”, pretty much as you say. But Allison now seems to be able to see multiple (infinite inferred) possibilities: of this point shown in the past – but also, again inferring, that she is now able to do the same for the present and future. If so then she may be able to plot a very rare path indeed.
i gotta say, jadis does seem to be a genuinely kind person. she doesnt like to see pain and suffering, and i imagine that when you know everything that will ever happen, escapism is your only path to sanity. some people play video games, jadis saves lives. its not a bad way to bury your anxiety and sorrow. cios shard was intentional, which means jadis did want allison to come to this realization. she wasn’t trapping her, just giving her a place to take a breather and recover. honestly, jadis is the only person who has left allison well enough alone for long enough that she could make a REAL decision, on her own. like…she could have stopped zaid. that much is clear. but she didnt. she wants allison to know the options and really, truly CHOOSE the way she cannot.
Indeed, she does seem satisfied by this outcome, as much as a being like Jadis can be satisfied. In addition to what all you said, note her small smile right at the end there
Lo! The enkindlers vision is on the inside as it is on the outside.
Rejoice! The witch made matchsticks from the promised emperors splinters and built her own pyre from them.
Contemplate: where does the lemniscate end and the ouroboros begin?
So it’s worth noting some small details, notably jadis has a slight smile, and her right-eye is closed, likely mirroring Alison’s.
Also it occurs to me that Janus has the halo, but not jadis, yet he is speaking in as if this is happening in-real time. It could be that her father, having once possessed the word of knowledge, figured out a way to turn himself into a cognito-virus, living on through his daughters omniscience
I don’t think he’s speaking realtime. He says your power WILL be akin to god, suggesting this is before she actually pulls the trigger on the omniscience engine.
And yet he seems to be remarking on Alison’s mundane upbringing (despite holding the master key). Unless jadis has always had a habit of taking care of commoners.
I see Jadis’ subtle smile and I reckon that or protagonist has unlocked the ability of Jagganoth. One eye that sees better than two. An eye that see’s that Jadis’ wretched existence is stretched thin by her pain. Perhaps our heroine can free her from this amber prison.
she is omniscient or not ?
do she needs to concentrate on a subject / event ?
And did Jagganoth cut off Alison’s manners along the arm ?
You know, this might be the only time where I actually see a smile of -shall we say- contentedness, if only for a moment, from Demiurges.
Sheesh, that attitude of her fathers…
Now we begin to see her broken past. She must have been quite the empathetic lady back then, caring for those of lesser social standing, her fathers opinion nonwithstanding.
So, is this Jadis *showing* Allison something, or is this Allison *perceiving* something about Jadis? Allison also saw the shape of creation, but without the background to grasp it as Jadis did. Maybe she’ll still get uncontrollable flashes of insight from this experience, even though she isn’t all-knowing?
Null point.
She can’t see past a certain point, can she?
McFrugal is insightful.
As someone who has lived with severe chronic pain for a greater portion of their life, I can tell you from experience. This page really really makes me wish I could still smoke cigs.
Nicotine’s bad rep is somewhat undeserved I would say. The greater amount of the data we have on it is from smoking cigs, so the thousands of other chemicals do rather taint the picture, and the public perception.
It does however multiply rather than add when taken with something else, whether that be anything from other drugs, to even asbestos fibres likelihood of giving mesothelioma.
Is it the cigs themselves (or the ritual)?, or would patches, disgusting-tasting pills, or sprays do? Can’t be on them solidly tho’, as the desired modulating effects do decrease with time.
Anyhoo, certainly not qualified for the offering of medical advice, and ultimately it wasn’t a goer here, due to the need also being chronic, but would still work as a hit as and when (as indeed cigs themselves do).
and this is why she removed the eye, I had my suspicions that it was showing her things that weren’t, now with her own eye she can see as clearly as she can see. The arm is a tool, she holds it and thus it is hers to command, but the eye is the means of the mind to understand the vision of YISUN’s lie, in having Jadis implant her own YISUN’s lie became Jadis’ lie, to see clearly it had to be removed.
Wisdom isn’t seeing well, but perceiving correctly. All of this was already there plain as day, always had been, always will be. Unless the Infinity can be Broken…
As much as you must make the final decision to embrace your own path – it helps to hear someone acknowledge the validity and possibility of that fact to you.
Jadis makes me sad, in so many ways she is someone peering up at me from the bottom of a very deep well with only a very long rope to climb but her arms have atrophied and her teeth have fallen out.
Imagine if she had allowed herself to become a galactic medicanes sans frontiers. It wouldn’t change the outcome of anything but I bet it would have kept her on the ladder.
The other demiurges all seem to acknowledge to some degree or another the choices they have made and a lot of their distinct qualities come with how they have processed and responded to their own versions of regret. Jagganoth almost seems regret-less and maybe the most empowered because of that? Jadis seems to drown in her past and I think, not perceiving the choices as her own but simply ‘what will be’…She seems robbed of the ability to avenge herself. She seems robbed of anger and joy and how is she supposed to want in any measure without these?
It’s interesting though. She speaks on this page and says ‘um’ which is something you say either when you are struggling to find the words or hesitatig to move on which possibly suggests a particularly strong emotional reaction to the bit that comes next.
I read Jadis’s ‘um’s as her trying to remember what she was supposed to say. I feel like Jadis sees her role in everything like an actor in a play- she’s read the script, she’s memorized her lines, she’s read how the story ends.
But I think she’s still proud of Allison for rejecting the apathy that consumes her, even if she thinks it might be pointless in the end.
Jadis’s words on this page seem perfectly cherry-picked to guide Alison towards self-actualization.
Jadis knows her role and she played it perfectly.
Time to kick some ass while looking damn cool!
And just what is wrong with tending livestock? Hmmm? That means I’m a provider not some stuck up who thinks they matter and does nothing meaningful like contemplate the meaning of nothing. Tending livestock gives one time to do these things.
For some reason I think it’s a subversion of Cain and Abel.
Good, subverting preconceived prattle meant to cow the foolish is good. Even fools can learn to think for themselves. It changes the nature not one bit. But then they can decide which predetermined course to take on their own. It’s better they pick their own leg to go down in the trousers of time. (puffs on cig, sips coffee) that’s the problem of being unstuck. I never know when anyone talks to me. Now to feed the animals I decides to take care of, it’s down a most delightfully hard leg of the trousers.
Once again, prophecized is not a word, you’re thinking of prophesied.
Yes, and yet, no. Usage of prophecized has increased a lot this century, as the simple past, and also past participle of to prophecize, which many dictionaries now carry.
Whether this is due to simple lack of knowledge of to prophesy (and so prophesied), or is an active attempt to combat prophecy(n)/prophesy(v) confusion by using prophecy+ize, many people do now use ‘to prophecize’ instead of ‘to prophesy’.
I have an inkling that it’s usage is greater to the west of the pond, and vice verse to the east, but I have no data.
The funny thing about being omniscient is that, while you know everything, understanding is a whole different story. Sometimes, all it takes is a little realization.
Perhaps Janus does somehow know as a pre-eminent vatra, that indeed she should have been born a son, perhaps he did have a son in previous iterations of the wheel – rather than it being just the standard misogynistic denigration of a daughter.
If so it’s interesting that this wheel cycle has an empathic female as Bearer of the Shape, and a female Rising King who is kind more than she is martial.
Curious what the God of Beginnings and Endings is doing.
This chapter has been all too familiar
Enough with the ennui and contentedness. It is time to sharpen your swords and clench your fist. The odds are not in your favour, the universe does not want you to win but it is still in your blood to stand and defy.
Where Jadis’ disparate thoughts become legible, some have appeared as page comments, some not. When they did, I read them as Jadis’ reflections on Allison, a measure of sympathy. But maybe they were actually self pity.
Also, Jadis being called pathetic by her shit of a father recalls Solomon hallucinating “pathetic” from his late wife … just before his last act of awesome.
Another break off of the road, another cycle of capitulation, and then determination. But this one seems different, feels different, IS different.
As different as a fumble, and a clear cutting motion.
Oh Alison, sweet great Alison, your road eagerly awaits for you to become it’s master.
Jadis is a first-order vatra, apparently. Allison will need a vatra if she’s going to get Cio back.