Jagganoth should get himself a pair of huge boobs. i mean those are some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive dohoonkabhankoloos. big ol’ tonhongerekoogers. what happens next?! Incubus shows up with even bigger bonkhonagahoogs. humongous hungolomghononoloughongos
It feels like Allison is asking the wrong questions. Why does Jadis care about Allison’s suffering, when she has seen whole planets die? Her motivation seems all wrong. I too wonder if this is not an elaborate setup to get Allison to give up her key freely, or some such thing.
It’s not that hard to understand compassion. She doesn’t like seeing suffering; suffering of one person is just as valid as suffering of every single person on a dying planet. You can mourn both.
The bigger question is why Jadis keeps trying? If she’s foreseen all this, then she knows the answer to the question. If freewill is an illusion then the kindest thing would be to give Allison hospice care as the wheel grinds to a halt and resets, as Jadis says is inevitable.
Why bother? Even accepting that Jadis’s actions are also preordained, what would compel the grooves of fate to demand she ask another to buck those same grooves?
Jadis isn’t asking Allison to buck the grooves of fate; She is playing her exact part to make Allison remain within them. Either Allison will waste away in bed as fate demands, or she will grow past this and surpass what she saw … also as fate demands. Whatever will happen is what always will have happened, if that makes any sense.
Technically Jadis isn’t doing anything, because this is what she Does. It doesn’t matter that it’s pointless, or that she knows the answer, because she does it and that’s it.
Jadis is the former bearer of Mind for a reason; she doesn’t actually have one anymore.
She does, what she does, because this is how it written in the story. If universe is a story, than it means things already written, already happened and it doesn’t matter, if someone can read pages in order they want it to read. It won’t change things written within them. However, it’s only true, if we have Dr. Manhattan rules on our hands.
As somebody who actually had to deal with anhedonia after the (cough) plague, I feel this. On a brainstem level. Which is nice, because it means I can feel anything again.
Everything is too much work. Nothing matters. Everything is frustrating, but only in the “I’m going to ignore this” kind of way. It’s exactly like this, just… less eschatological.
O sibling of mine, many years ago, it was a different plague that struck me. It felt as my mind, my body and future were stolen. I do not know your story, but itās tune, with a hundred thousand others resonates with me.
The steps forward sometimes seem impossible. But thereās more than one road to take, allies lie in wait, and many nooks to rest along the way. Your future self is not a stranger, hold onto the hope for them. This is all to say: the burden will ease with time.
I often scroll the comments looking for meta insight or connections between chapters or pages. Sometimes the banter is silly or elegant and sometimes there are fan-created pieces of Lore that hit home with multiple people.
“Your future self is not a stranger” is perhaps the most gentle, earnest, and compassionate things I have read in a long, long time. I’m going to be thinking about this for a very long time.
Rarely is grief so accurately represented. I watched my sister die suddenly in front of me six months ago. I just want to lie here. There is no justice, no fairness. I’m invested in seeing where Allison draws her healing from; from my own experience it is exhausting but darkly empowering to figure out how to stand up with this kind of weight on your chest.
Autonomy. For Jadis, choice does not exist. As she said previously, everything she does, everything she will do, all of it… she has already done. For her, there is no distinction between now and then, be it past or future. She is an empty vessel, acting as she was determined to act, feeling what she was determined to feel. She has no free will, or for that matter any will whatsoever, and thus does not exist in any meaningful way.
I wonder what was Jadis’ great plan. Did she just want someone to understand the bullshit she has to deal with and she now feels bad it messed her up? I assume from her perspective it was inevitable. I also assume Allison will get to the other side. Jadis clearly does not feel numb. Her situation is different, but she did look deeply into infinity and then made a decision for breakfast. Hell, she made decisions about Allison for some reason.
I don’t think there is a plan. Based on Jadis’ own description of her omniscience, plans, desires, and decisions aren’t really things she gets to have anymore. She’s just doing things because she knows that she does them. Essentially she read the script so hard she turned into a non-entity that just does whatever the author says.
I believe it’s more complex than that. Without free will, the plan she made when obtaining omniscience was preordained before she obtained omniscience. Nevertheless, the plan Jadis made still takes into account her motives, no matter how little choice she has in deciding what these motives are. Whatever the end goal of that plan is, it is the only thing she could ever have wanted or it was doomed to fail no matter what Jadis would have done. What that objective is, obtaining the key, breaking fate, or the end of the world, is already decided.
The weird part is, Jadis’ plan, considering omniscience, takes into account not only the fact that she already know how it goes, but every mood change she could have long the way. She cannot rebel against the plan, because the plan would have already accounted for her rebellion. She cannot change her mind, because her change of mind would have been part of the plan.
This, I find it funny how so many people are failing to grasp any of this. Funnier still how so many of those vocal morons seem to have deleted their comments after a couple days.
Some say you need to hit rock bottom before you can rise back up. Maybe Jadis is helping Allison in this regard. Or maybe she’s trying to defeat her the way only a shade can, through shadowed thoughts. I trust no demiurge.
Even if it’s all pre-ordained, Alice still has to do something. She has to make a choice on what she’s going to do. It doesn’t matter that the choice is written in stone ahead of time. Or that someone else knows exactly what she’s going to do. What matters is that she picks a path and commits to it.
I like to think that the use of ‘choice’ is for a reason. Jadis doesn’t see much of a point in anything, but she recognizes that from Allison’s perspective, her actions still led to her circumstances. So Jadis is trying to…kind of work around that perspective?
That, or it’s intentionally paradoxial, and considering this comic’s themes I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the point
The choice is to be blissfully, willfully ignorant of what Jadis has shown her. It might all still be a script but she can choose to ignore that and live fully in her moments, feeling like an active player and not just a soul strapped to Mr Bonestripperās Wild Ride. It would be like an act of faith, believing in a deity when it has been all but disproven
Emma Thousand Nails does not see clearly, it seems…
Choice and lack of choice are two sides of the same coin. The only thing with permanence is the quality of impermanence. Alison has been shown the unalterable flow of time and paradoxically chooses stasis. This, of course, was inevitable. But she must now choose to resume her part in the flow of fate. Choice may be an illusion, but all of reality is equally illusiory. Let not it be said that illusions have no value.
The movie you have seen a million times, always playing out in your head. You know it beat-by-beat. You know the bits of comedy, the bits of horror, and the bits of action. They seem to grow dull.
But the sorrow. O, the sorrow. It always manages to hit you where it hurts, no matter how many times you view it, because you are helpless to ever change it. That is why you keep watching. You know nothing will change, but even some minute and minuscule part of your mind begs and hopes for change to occur.
Yet you will always weep. For the viewer cannot change the movie.
I’m starting to suspect that this is the work of an enemy stand.
What if she doesn’t *want* for Al-Yis-Un to get better; or rather, only as much as is necessary for a bloodbag to keep supplying blood.
Sigh. Must it be spelled out for you all? Read between the lines.
Jadis is trying to convince Allison to kill herself. Or, rather, to just let herself die.
THAT is why she says “you’re making progress.” She means “you’re getting closer to despair.” THAT’S what she means when she says that the embers of her will are exceptionally strong.
I don’t think she wants her to die, she said Allison has decades to live. She wants her to choose not to fight, to go eat breakfast and live a life. The embers of her will still smolder and could flare again, leading her off on a crusade of suffering to right wrongs and avenge injustices, starting a cycle that won’t end.
Her mistake being thinking opting out is even an option. Violence is inescapable.
Bro what garbage writing would that be? Jadis just wants someone to know what it’s like to be in her shoes. Also jadis isn’t “trying” to do anything. That’s the point of her charachter. She is an actor in a play reading out her script.
Also, Alison’s physical deterioration doesn’t make much sense here. She’s losing weight, and the implication is that she’s not eating and is now being supplied intravenously.
But… that should have been the case already. Per the story Alison was told on waking up in Jadis’ Pyramid, she’d been out for years while they fixed her up. Presumably, she was being fed intravenously during that period as well. Long story short, Alison should have always looked this thin.
Given that the reality of the current setting has always been a bit suspect, it’s seeming less and less likely that any of this is actually happening.
You’ll forgive me, I hope, but it’s not clear to me what your comment has to do with mine. Clearly you’re being dismissive, but I’m uncertain as to why.
She has been like this from the moment she woke up. We saw her immediately after Jadis saved her and her body was still strong but battle-scarred, with no hair and missing limbs. Then she was in a coma, and the next time we saw her she had long hair and her body had wasted away.
It could certainly be subjective on my part, but the art seems to convey that she’s thinner now than she was two weeks ago. Compare, for example, how pronounced her cheekbones have become.
Perhaps she spent most of the past two weeks refusing to eat or drink and was only hooked up to the tubes recently after it became a threat to her life.
>girlfriend
She said it, she said the thing!…
Just a bit too late tho š
Shut UP it is NOT too late Cio is FINE everything is going to be FINE they will be HAPPY TOGETHER
Serious contender for biggest demiurge yet, jagganoth has to look out!
Jagganoth should get himself a pair of huge boobs. i mean those are some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive dohoonkabhankoloos. big ol’ tonhongerekoogers. what happens next?! Incubus shows up with even bigger bonkhonagahoogs. humongous hungolomghononoloughongos
Well did you see Jaggahog? That things bigger than my whole body!
You’re right, Jadis should get one of those. It’s only fair
Wait no come back big lady and step on me
the goddess weeps alone
I still have the lingering feeling that this whole thing is an illusion though.
It feels like Allison is asking the wrong questions. Why does Jadis care about Allison’s suffering, when she has seen whole planets die? Her motivation seems all wrong. I too wonder if this is not an elaborate setup to get Allison to give up her key freely, or some such thing.
Ya think that miss gaslight-hat might be doing a bit of trickery? Some manipulation?
It’s not that hard to understand compassion. She doesn’t like seeing suffering; suffering of one person is just as valid as suffering of every single person on a dying planet. You can mourn both.
The bigger question is why Jadis keeps trying? If she’s foreseen all this, then she knows the answer to the question. If freewill is an illusion then the kindest thing would be to give Allison hospice care as the wheel grinds to a halt and resets, as Jadis says is inevitable.
Why bother? Even accepting that Jadis’s actions are also preordained, what would compel the grooves of fate to demand she ask another to buck those same grooves?
Jadis isn’t asking Allison to buck the grooves of fate; She is playing her exact part to make Allison remain within them. Either Allison will waste away in bed as fate demands, or she will grow past this and surpass what she saw … also as fate demands. Whatever will happen is what always will have happened, if that makes any sense.
Technically Jadis isn’t doing anything, because this is what she Does. It doesn’t matter that it’s pointless, or that she knows the answer, because she does it and that’s it.
Jadis is the former bearer of Mind for a reason; she doesn’t actually have one anymore.
She does, what she does, because this is how it written in the story. If universe is a story, than it means things already written, already happened and it doesn’t matter, if someone can read pages in order they want it to read. It won’t change things written within them. However, it’s only true, if we have Dr. Manhattan rules on our hands.
amazing chest ahead
The motto of this series is to āreach heavenā and Jadisās statements remind me of a certain priest who attempted to do the sameā¦
Cool.
What priest?
He propably means guy from Jojo part 7
Part 6, actually.
Ugh, fake fans… *dramatic hair flip*
As somebody who actually had to deal with anhedonia after the (cough) plague, I feel this. On a brainstem level. Which is nice, because it means I can feel anything again.
Everything is too much work. Nothing matters. Everything is frustrating, but only in the “I’m going to ignore this” kind of way. It’s exactly like this, just… less eschatological.
O sibling of mine, many years ago, it was a different plague that struck me. It felt as my mind, my body and future were stolen. I do not know your story, but itās tune, with a hundred thousand others resonates with me.
The steps forward sometimes seem impossible. But thereās more than one road to take, allies lie in wait, and many nooks to rest along the way. Your future self is not a stranger, hold onto the hope for them. This is all to say: the burden will ease with time.
I often scroll the comments looking for meta insight or connections between chapters or pages. Sometimes the banter is silly or elegant and sometimes there are fan-created pieces of Lore that hit home with multiple people.
“Your future self is not a stranger” is perhaps the most gentle, earnest, and compassionate things I have read in a long, long time. I’m going to be thinking about this for a very long time.
I remember this. My brain was quiet. On some level it was terrifying, and on another, I could have stayed there forever and watched the rain.
Rarely is grief so accurately represented. I watched my sister die suddenly in front of me six months ago. I just want to lie here. There is no justice, no fairness. I’m invested in seeing where Allison draws her healing from; from my own experience it is exhausting but darkly empowering to figure out how to stand up with this kind of weight on your chest.
This lady constantly contradicts herself. She says everything was foretold one moment then to chose a different path the next. Which one is it?
Persuasion, Deception, Desperation, or Hope?
how could she ask anything else? which is it, which is it?
She knows the answers because in the future she asks the questions. If she doesn’t ask the questions her past self won’t ever know the answers.
Words spoken without intent- without agency- are meaningless, and meaningless words cannot be contradictory.
Sure they can. You just did so right now, X.
She believes she canāt say anything else, though; this is Jadisā script. Perhaps sheās crying because she hates having to lie to Allison?
It doesn’t really matter what she says, there’s no why to it, she just says things, Jadis isn’t meaningfully a person.
What seperates her from personhood? What distinction does she lack that others hold?
Autonomy. For Jadis, choice does not exist. As she said previously, everything she does, everything she will do, all of it… she has already done. For her, there is no distinction between now and then, be it past or future. She is an empty vessel, acting as she was determined to act, feeling what she was determined to feel. She has no free will, or for that matter any will whatsoever, and thus does not exist in any meaningful way.
I wonder what was Jadis’ great plan. Did she just want someone to understand the bullshit she has to deal with and she now feels bad it messed her up? I assume from her perspective it was inevitable. I also assume Allison will get to the other side. Jadis clearly does not feel numb. Her situation is different, but she did look deeply into infinity and then made a decision for breakfast. Hell, she made decisions about Allison for some reason.
I don’t think there is a plan. Based on Jadis’ own description of her omniscience, plans, desires, and decisions aren’t really things she gets to have anymore. She’s just doing things because she knows that she does them. Essentially she read the script so hard she turned into a non-entity that just does whatever the author says.
I believe it’s more complex than that. Without free will, the plan she made when obtaining omniscience was preordained before she obtained omniscience. Nevertheless, the plan Jadis made still takes into account her motives, no matter how little choice she has in deciding what these motives are. Whatever the end goal of that plan is, it is the only thing she could ever have wanted or it was doomed to fail no matter what Jadis would have done. What that objective is, obtaining the key, breaking fate, or the end of the world, is already decided.
The weird part is, Jadis’ plan, considering omniscience, takes into account not only the fact that she already know how it goes, but every mood change she could have long the way. She cannot rebel against the plan, because the plan would have already accounted for her rebellion. She cannot change her mind, because her change of mind would have been part of the plan.
At least, that’s my interpretation.
One can read a novel a dozen times, knowing how the plot progresses and the story ends, and yet still be affected by emotion whilst reading.
This, I find it funny how so many people are failing to grasp any of this. Funnier still how so many of those vocal morons seem to have deleted their comments after a couple days.
Some say you need to hit rock bottom before you can rise back up. Maybe Jadis is helping Allison in this regard. Or maybe she’s trying to defeat her the way only a shade can, through shadowed thoughts. I trust no demiurge.
This comic is giving me the sadz
I don’t know why Jadis keeps saying “choose”. She has already established there is no real choice.
The writer kinda painted him/herself into a corner.
Even if it’s all pre-ordained, Alice still has to do something. She has to make a choice on what she’s going to do. It doesn’t matter that the choice is written in stone ahead of time. Or that someone else knows exactly what she’s going to do. What matters is that she picks a path and commits to it.
I like to think that the use of ‘choice’ is for a reason. Jadis doesn’t see much of a point in anything, but she recognizes that from Allison’s perspective, her actions still led to her circumstances. So Jadis is trying to…kind of work around that perspective?
That, or it’s intentionally paradoxial, and considering this comic’s themes I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the point
Doubt itās the latter; this plot beat didnāt just spring up yesterday
The chapter -is- entitled ‘breaker of inifinities’; perhaps this is an indication that she has the power to break fate.
The choice is to be blissfully, willfully ignorant of what Jadis has shown her. It might all still be a script but she can choose to ignore that and live fully in her moments, feeling like an active player and not just a soul strapped to Mr Bonestripperās Wild Ride. It would be like an act of faith, believing in a deity when it has been all but disproven
Allison has a Choice, Jadis does not
Emma Thousand Nails does not see clearly, it seems…
Choice and lack of choice are two sides of the same coin. The only thing with permanence is the quality of impermanence. Alison has been shown the unalterable flow of time and paradoxically chooses stasis. This, of course, was inevitable. But she must now choose to resume her part in the flow of fate. Choice may be an illusion, but all of reality is equally illusiory. Let not it be said that illusions have no value.
Jadis wants the key. I’d wager she needs Allison to give it up voluntarily for some reason.
Whatever the case, Iām sure she benefits if she successfully imbues Allison with Sloth
I am beginning to believe that Jadis may be a consummate liar.
“I don’t want to be this kind of animal anymore.”
One more door…
“The last dream will be total annihilation. Cinders peeling off the fuselage. We won’t be there to help you anymore, Harry.”
Jadis
Demiurge
One of the Seven
Ruler of 111,111 Universes
Bearer of the word T H E R A P Y
She gave up the word Mind to help heal others’ Minds
The movie you have seen a million times, always playing out in your head. You know it beat-by-beat. You know the bits of comedy, the bits of horror, and the bits of action. They seem to grow dull.
But the sorrow. O, the sorrow. It always manages to hit you where it hurts, no matter how many times you view it, because you are helpless to ever change it. That is why you keep watching. You know nothing will change, but even some minute and minuscule part of your mind begs and hopes for change to occur.
Yet you will always weep. For the viewer cannot change the movie.
Buzz Buzz
I’m starting to suspect that this is the work of an enemy stand.
What if she doesn’t *want* for Al-Yis-Un to get better; or rather, only as much as is necessary for a bloodbag to keep supplying blood.
Sigh. Must it be spelled out for you all? Read between the lines.
Jadis is trying to convince Allison to kill herself. Or, rather, to just let herself die.
THAT is why she says “you’re making progress.” She means “you’re getting closer to despair.” THAT’S what she means when she says that the embers of her will are exceptionally strong.
I don’t think she wants her to die, she said Allison has decades to live. She wants her to choose not to fight, to go eat breakfast and live a life. The embers of her will still smolder and could flare again, leading her off on a crusade of suffering to right wrongs and avenge injustices, starting a cycle that won’t end.
Her mistake being thinking opting out is even an option. Violence is inescapable.
Bro what garbage writing would that be? Jadis just wants someone to know what it’s like to be in her shoes. Also jadis isn’t “trying” to do anything. That’s the point of her charachter. She is an actor in a play reading out her script.
everything is predicted. take off your pants. give up your key. do it.
āThere is no mĢ¶eĢ¶mĢ¶eĢ¶ happy ending, take off your clothesā- Baāaruk Oāb-a-Maa
damn jadis’s milkers though
I’m getting Earthbound vibes here…
Jadis continues to blithely spout contradictions.
Also, Alison’s physical deterioration doesn’t make much sense here. She’s losing weight, and the implication is that she’s not eating and is now being supplied intravenously.
But… that should have been the case already. Per the story Alison was told on waking up in Jadis’ Pyramid, she’d been out for years while they fixed her up. Presumably, she was being fed intravenously during that period as well. Long story short, Alison should have always looked this thin.
Given that the reality of the current setting has always been a bit suspect, it’s seeming less and less likely that any of this is actually happening.
Philosophy and psychology are not your strong suit are they?
You’ll forgive me, I hope, but it’s not clear to me what your comment has to do with mine. Clearly you’re being dismissive, but I’m uncertain as to why.
But she can remake the mask, reforge the Ash armor. Why doesn’t she think of that.
r/iamverysmart
She has been like this from the moment she woke up. We saw her immediately after Jadis saved her and her body was still strong but battle-scarred, with no hair and missing limbs. Then she was in a coma, and the next time we saw her she had long hair and her body had wasted away.
It could certainly be subjective on my part, but the art seems to convey that she’s thinner now than she was two weeks ago. Compare, for example, how pronounced her cheekbones have become.
Perhaps she spent most of the past two weeks refusing to eat or drink and was only hooked up to the tubes recently after it became a threat to her life.