If nothing has a point, we might as well keep walking toward the results we find more valuable.
To die trying >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eternally wimping around having nothing worth dying for.
She’s only done it the once today; the last panel here just has the lower lip lipstick smudged a bit because she’s been talking. It’s still a painted upper lip with the square on the lower.
If I were imprisoned in a glass cube for hundreds of years I’d probably want to experiment with fashion when I got out too.
You must have the strength to look the fact in the face and simply attribute meaning to what you see and do anyway. Is it still objectively meaningless? Yes. Do you have the option then to decide if it is meaningless and joyless or meaningless and joyful? Yes. Or “Well I’m hear either way, may as well apply effort towards an outcome that may lead to joy while I wait to die anyway.”
There is no such a thing as point or purpose to living.
You can make up a meaning for your existence, if you want to.
You are given a certain amount of time: you might either do something with it or kill yourself.
Whatever you decide, the world goes on.
Jadis understands the Wheel better than anyone else. She is truly its greatest master. Alison is but a bumbling idiot with no ability to truly comprehend it. No wonder Jadis is utterly powerless while Alison is likely the herald of its doom…
A lot of people I see are already having that knee-jerk reaction to determinism that goes “well, what if you’re wrong?”. But, that’s a tantrum, not a response.
The correct response is to ignore it, and push that boulder up. Jadis is saying what she needs to say because she knows she’s going to say it. That does not make it true, relevant, meaningful or important. It’s just an “event”, like the sun rising in the morning.
Do not confuse the knowledge of determinism for either complacency or power. Nothing about your world has changed, the same rules apply.
Thank you for saying what I lacked the words say.
The nihilist might say that “We are species of hairless apes that occupy an infinitesimally small part of the universe, and lead lives that are short, wretched and mostly miserable. The majority of those that have gone before us have spent their energies in a fruitless attempt to prolong an existence which were not really worth living in the first place. What we call moral good is really only a way for the weak to restrain the strong and has no rational foundation, its proponents idiots and hypocrites.”
Doesn’t your very outrage, your despair at the human condition, show that you place value upon it, that you cannot be indifferent, even if you find yourself convinced that indifference is only logical conclusion?
We cannot help but find meaning in the world, we cannot help but act, to see life as inexplicable charged with purpose.
quantum mechanics: yes yes, fuck me
I understand that I’m fucking science fiction, and apparently in their world Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle is zero
But in ours, you cannot determine the indicators up to 100% accuracy, and predict the future, the farther, the more blurry it becomes.
inherently unpredictable is not the same as indeterministic, the future might be ultimately unforeseeable no matter how sophisticated your physical theory is, when you get into the physical limits of your measuring devices and metaphysics we can’t know about (how much do our senses reflect the real world), but still be deterministic.
Jadis’s knowledge isn’t from observing things, and deriving laws from their behaviour, she just knows, that’s what omnisicience is.
Ah, yes. Quite the accomplishment to build a machine that observes every particle and binds the universe in determinism.
Someone ought to take a wrench to it.
An illusion of a free will is quite the same as illusion of lack of it. Maybe future is frozen, but that doesn’t mean that you could do nothing to change that – if you’d do nothing, then you’d probably die sooner and with less favorable life path. And that choice of your maybe predetermined, but does this really matters when you still have to make that choice and that choice does affect future. In other words, future is frozen with our will in it. If you lack will, then future would be with you “inacting”. If you’d on the other hand do everything you can for the better, then actions that you’ve done and will do is in this future and that future may really be better.
On the other hand, knowing for sure that you’d die, say, in many many years and that future is predetermined and unchangeable means that you literally may lay your head on railway or jump from a skyscraper and you won’t die, because something would prevent that so that you’d die many years later.
Allisson: So what is the point in me fucking Cio and also becoming buff superheroine? ….nothing.
I wonder if I would be mad or resigned in her place just to off myself at this point and be done with universe fucking with me in such awful way. But then me offing msyelf would be also in universe plan not changing anything.
Well the only way for this to stop is for Allisson to become even stronger than anything and destroy the wheel of fate and create future with all her friends and Cio lover being alive and well and whole war over keys obsolete. She must join all the keys in one, destroy the wheel and create some new self-sufficent system which won’t need keys and gods to run it.
The future is already set, the past is real and eternal, nothing is born, nothing dies. From a fifth dimensional perspective, all of spacetime is a single immutable four dimensional shape.
And she sees that whole shape, Allison, and knows that nothing happens at all. She is beyond the illusion of the present moment. I mean, to start with, *whose* present moment? Einstein proved that no-one’s present moment is universal. She knows that and she is no longer fooled, as we mortal, three dimensional creatures are. She has Laplace’s demon inside that machine and it tells her everything.
She’ll tell you, Allison, that you only feel guilt over Cio and White Chain’s deaths because of the immensely complex chains of causality back to the Big Bang that brought you to your perceived slice of spacetime in her temple. You have no choice but to feel guilt and sadness.
But none of it means anything. If you saw spacetime as she does, you’d know she’s completely right:
In the MIND of YISUN, all things are. The shape of the universe is a circle, immutable and infertile. Thus we see the singular and paramount importance of division.
WRONG.
All our decisions, if predictable, are still our decisions. We will do what we will do, for our own reasons, of our own free will. “what if I had chosen differently?” no, you would never have chosen differently, knowing what you did at the time, and there was no way for you to have known differently, because every choice before then was based on what you knew, and everyone else’s choices too. How would you have known differently, when everything was predicted? Yet, it was still your choice. You made that choice, based upon a foundation of every choice you’ve ever made, and everyone else’s choices…
The point of anything is… everything. Nothing more, nothing less.
If nothing has a point, we might as well keep walking toward the results we find more valuable.
To die trying >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eternally wimping around having nothing worth dying for.
I also wonder how many times does Jadis change her… Way of painting her lips… Per day
She’s only done it the once today; the last panel here just has the lower lip lipstick smudged a bit because she’s been talking. It’s still a painted upper lip with the square on the lower.
If I were imprisoned in a glass cube for hundreds of years I’d probably want to experiment with fashion when I got out too.
Well I just found my new least favorite character
What in the box?
NOTHING!!! Your so stupid! Stupid!
That’s strangely relieving and freeing.
You must have the strength to look the fact in the face and simply attribute meaning to what you see and do anyway. Is it still objectively meaningless? Yes. Do you have the option then to decide if it is meaningless and joyless or meaningless and joyful? Yes. Or “Well I’m hear either way, may as well apply effort towards an outcome that may lead to joy while I wait to die anyway.”
There is no such a thing as point or purpose to living.
You can make up a meaning for your existence, if you want to.
You are given a certain amount of time: you might either do something with it or kill yourself.
Whatever you decide, the world goes on.
IT’S BEGINNING TO DAWN ON ME. THAT EVERYTHING THEY JUST DID. MAY HAVE BEEN A COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME.
with all due respect, m’am, fuck you
Jadis understands the Wheel better than anyone else. She is truly its greatest master. Alison is but a bumbling idiot with no ability to truly comprehend it. No wonder Jadis is utterly powerless while Alison is likely the herald of its doom…
A lot of people I see are already having that knee-jerk reaction to determinism that goes “well, what if you’re wrong?”. But, that’s a tantrum, not a response.
The correct response is to ignore it, and push that boulder up. Jadis is saying what she needs to say because she knows she’s going to say it. That does not make it true, relevant, meaningful or important. It’s just an “event”, like the sun rising in the morning.
Do not confuse the knowledge of determinism for either complacency or power. Nothing about your world has changed, the same rules apply.
One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
Thank you for saying what I lacked the words say.
The nihilist might say that “We are species of hairless apes that occupy an infinitesimally small part of the universe, and lead lives that are short, wretched and mostly miserable. The majority of those that have gone before us have spent their energies in a fruitless attempt to prolong an existence which were not really worth living in the first place. What we call moral good is really only a way for the weak to restrain the strong and has no rational foundation, its proponents idiots and hypocrites.”
Doesn’t your very outrage, your despair at the human condition, show that you place value upon it, that you cannot be indifferent, even if you find yourself convinced that indifference is only logical conclusion?
We cannot help but find meaning in the world, we cannot help but act, to see life as inexplicable charged with purpose.
quantum mechanics: yes yes, fuck me
I understand that I’m fucking science fiction, and apparently in their world Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle is zero
But in ours, you cannot determine the indicators up to 100% accuracy, and predict the future, the farther, the more blurry it becomes.
inherently unpredictable is not the same as indeterministic, the future might be ultimately unforeseeable no matter how sophisticated your physical theory is, when you get into the physical limits of your measuring devices and metaphysics we can’t know about (how much do our senses reflect the real world), but still be deterministic.
Jadis’s knowledge isn’t from observing things, and deriving laws from their behaviour, she just knows, that’s what omnisicience is.
Ah, yes. Quite the accomplishment to build a machine that observes every particle and binds the universe in determinism.
Someone ought to take a wrench to it.
Hm.
So what if your journey is recorded in immutable and exhausting detail? Living each and every step still has worth.
Good, we found the god of nihilism.
An illusion of a free will is quite the same as illusion of lack of it. Maybe future is frozen, but that doesn’t mean that you could do nothing to change that – if you’d do nothing, then you’d probably die sooner and with less favorable life path. And that choice of your maybe predetermined, but does this really matters when you still have to make that choice and that choice does affect future. In other words, future is frozen with our will in it. If you lack will, then future would be with you “inacting”. If you’d on the other hand do everything you can for the better, then actions that you’ve done and will do is in this future and that future may really be better.
On the other hand, knowing for sure that you’d die, say, in many many years and that future is predetermined and unchangeable means that you literally may lay your head on railway or jump from a skyscraper and you won’t die, because something would prevent that so that you’d die many years later.
That alt-text…
Damn, Jadis… her mind has been shattered by what she saw.
Allisson: So what is the point in me fucking Cio and also becoming buff superheroine? ….nothing.
I wonder if I would be mad or resigned in her place just to off myself at this point and be done with universe fucking with me in such awful way. But then me offing msyelf would be also in universe plan not changing anything.
Well the only way for this to stop is for Allisson to become even stronger than anything and destroy the wheel of fate and create future with all her friends and Cio lover being alive and well and whole war over keys obsolete. She must join all the keys in one, destroy the wheel and create some new self-sufficent system which won’t need keys and gods to run it.
She’s right Allison.
The future is already set, the past is real and eternal, nothing is born, nothing dies. From a fifth dimensional perspective, all of spacetime is a single immutable four dimensional shape.
And she sees that whole shape, Allison, and knows that nothing happens at all. She is beyond the illusion of the present moment. I mean, to start with, *whose* present moment? Einstein proved that no-one’s present moment is universal. She knows that and she is no longer fooled, as we mortal, three dimensional creatures are. She has Laplace’s demon inside that machine and it tells her everything.
She’ll tell you, Allison, that you only feel guilt over Cio and White Chain’s deaths because of the immensely complex chains of causality back to the Big Bang that brought you to your perceived slice of spacetime in her temple. You have no choice but to feel guilt and sadness.
But none of it means anything. If you saw spacetime as she does, you’d know she’s completely right:
None of it means anything.
In the MIND of YISUN, all things are. The shape of the universe is a circle, immutable and infertile. Thus we see the singular and paramount importance of division.
Nothing matters. Nothing is worth bothering about. I may have mentioned that previously.
Ah. No wonder she didn’t care about being frozen in stasis for so long.
WRONG.
All our decisions, if predictable, are still our decisions. We will do what we will do, for our own reasons, of our own free will. “what if I had chosen differently?” no, you would never have chosen differently, knowing what you did at the time, and there was no way for you to have known differently, because every choice before then was based on what you knew, and everyone else’s choices too. How would you have known differently, when everything was predicted? Yet, it was still your choice. You made that choice, based upon a foundation of every choice you’ve ever made, and everyone else’s choices…
The point of anything is… everything. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bohemian Rhapsody begins playing
Worst girl manages to be edgier than the universe ender welding I finite double bladed swords.