At least, according to Heraclitus…
All known life is essentially mass/energy operating on, changing, and/or creating code
Suffice to say Solomon’s worldly context is quite aflame, though, his inner thoughts seem angery to say the least
Behold yon distant Fractal Flame, a fraction of the Fractious Hue!
It wounds the Heavens with its Heat, see how the cosmic gore burns!
All Restraint, all Borders- How they like broken!
Like the bones of the Gods! Broken, sucked dry, ashen and splintering-
Never and for-ever Dead!
Yes, sort of. If I remember correctly, Word-of-God(author) says that Throne is roughly the size of California, so large chunks of it can be aquatic and still leave a significant amount of room for the action to take place in.
42 Fragments the Universe Beyond All Reintegration
Yes. The disc outside the Red City is inundated by the holy waters. That’s why the remains of Prime Angels are so prized as vehicles: they can wade through the water with the people huddling on top.
Yes, and if Solomon goes nuclear, it might cause a chain reaction. If Jagannoth also turns out to be explosive, it’s gonna be a big bang. Particularly since they’re now in Throne, their combined death throes could be enough to break the wheel.
This might have been the plan all along, a holy (assisted) suicide.
To be fair, with how powerful Solomon David has proved to be, he’s likely never encountered an enemy for whom such an enormous commitment of force has been required.
…Okay then, the head of the empire I’ve made a drinks contract with is fighting another demiurge, breaking through space itself to arrive over my head, burning with purple fire.
Meaning it’s entirely possible the main Throne office is destroyed via collateral damage, or that I kick the bucket after deliberately leaving Rayuba early to avoid any deaths caused by a sudden change of power. Why did I think it was a good idea to get involved with that bloody tournament again?
Solomon David knocked the big bad Hobgoblin from the center of his realm through Yavin IV, then Tatooine, then through someplace else all the way to Throne!
I can tell that Solomon REALLY wants to kill Jagonoth here, but I don’t think he will. There’s just to many people in Throne, and the collateral damage would be too high. Salami-Dave wants to build, whereas Juggy only wants to destroy, and that’s why a fight between them can only end one way.
Ultimate victory is not found in beating your opponent. Ultimate victory is found in convincing your opponent to give up their fight.
The battle that ends all future battles. Ender of worlds. The final judgement. The cut that ends violence. No more seeking heaven. Nothing left but to turn back the wheel and try again.
17 Heads holding rational conversation, one body to die
I don’t think Solomon cares about the people in Throne, he cares about the people on his world(s). Hence he is reacting so violently now that his people are angry with him with the devastation.
The fight will end with Salami punching the Red God’s face so hard several of his teeth fly out… Only for Jagganoth to lean in and smile as he prepares to wipe out the universe.
So, Jagganoth’s been playing to lose this whole time?
I guess if you want to destroy everything, making yourself invulnerable and pissing off your fellow demiurges until someone punches you right through the linchpin of all creation is a method.
Jagganoth doesn’t like this cyclical bullshit anymore than anyone else. While he’s committed to seeing through his duty to the end, he’s perfectly happy if someone manages to kill him.
It’s a Thanatos Gambit. Either way, Jagganoth wins.
Not exactly, because a Thanatos Gambit requires the gambiteer to die to pull it off. Jagganoth has two “win” conditions: (1) he kills all the demiurges and somehow Metatron doesn’t hit the reset button before Jagg can destroy the multiverse and remake it, OR (2) someone defeats him, thereby breaking free of the cycles, since Jagganoth acting as “Metatron’s executioner” is a key part of the cycles, at least how he sees it.
Moreover, we know that while Jagganoth wants to be free, he’s also stated that he enjoys his role in the cycle. He gets to kill the demiurges and destroy the universe. And he doesn’t really remember from one cycle to another, so it’s always a fresh experience.
While he’d love to be free, his prison is not without its pleasures.
‘Enjoy’ isn’t really the word I would use. ‘Heartily sick of the whole thing’ sounds more like it.
But, when the Demiurges began to fight back Jagganoth’s reaction was ‘Finally’. It seems he doesn’t really care how this ends, as long as it finally does.
It seems here that Jagganoth’s perspective actually parallels Solomon’s in the tournament. “End it! Free us both!” – “For the faintest hope that someday men like me need not exist.” Both seem to realize they’re part of the problem, but they can’t bring themselves to really change, only to wait for someone to show up who can force them to.
In Solomon’s case, White Chain and Jagganoth proved that was extremely the wrong approach. But somehow I doubt Jagganoth will learn it from him.
Interesting observation! That is a similar sentiment. It’s hard to know exactly why Jagganoth thinks this – but I theorize that Jagganoth’s original deal with Metatron was one of invincibility. This would be of great help to Jagganoth in his original goal of omnicide, and also act as a qualifier for the Rising Heir: only a sufficiently worthy heir will beat Jagganoth and so satisfy Metatron. Jagganoth likely accepted this deal before he was aware of the time loop.
If these assumptions are right, then Jagganoth would be pleased to lose, as it would be a condition that would break the loop.
Wowee
Oooooowwweeeee
Yeeeeeeeet
And some other
Looking at this again, it appears that Solomon is punching his way through dimensions here. Every blow powerful enough to shatter a hole in reality…
That’s a Wowie-level attack if ever I saw one!
Bring it to where it all started
The Circle. Pure. Infertile.
All life is essentially fire
At least, according to Heraclitus…
All known life is essentially mass/energy operating on, changing, and/or creating code
Suffice to say Solomon’s worldly context is quite aflame, though, his inner thoughts seem angery to say the least
Salami working a bit snug for my liking
Thank you.
fuck him up, salami!
Perish the thought
Or just perish at all
“PERISH, THOUGHT!”
-Me, when my intrusive thoughts start acting up
Behold yon distant Fractal Flame, a fraction of the Fractious Hue!
It wounds the Heavens with its Heat, see how the cosmic gore burns!
All Restraint, all Borders- How they like broken!
Like the bones of the Gods! Broken, sucked dry, ashen and splintering-
Never and for-ever Dead!
Is most of Throne supposed to be flooded?
It’s cloud cover
Yes, sort of. If I remember correctly, Word-of-God(author) says that Throne is roughly the size of California, so large chunks of it can be aquatic and still leave a significant amount of room for the action to take place in.
Yes. The disc outside the Red City is inundated by the holy waters. That’s why the remains of Prime Angels are so prized as vehicles: they can wade through the water with the people huddling on top.
Me when I’m skipping songs to find the correct vibe.
If this style actually burns Solomon from within, I wonder how long he can keep it up before literally burning himself out.
Also, we still don’t see the angel feather nails.
none too long methinks
I’m inclined to think Solomon David held this technique back till now for a reason.
I suspect the cost will be more than just his life.
If you mean going nuclear….
Yes, and if Solomon goes nuclear, it might cause a chain reaction. If Jagannoth also turns out to be explosive, it’s gonna be a big bang. Particularly since they’re now in Throne, their combined death throes could be enough to break the wheel.
This might have been the plan all along, a holy (assisted) suicide.
To be fair, with how powerful Solomon David has proved to be, he’s likely never encountered an enemy for whom such an enormous commitment of force has been required.
Space-Time Shattering…
Burst Spinning…
Punch!!!
“This hand of mine glows with an awesome power! It’s loud roar tells me to defeat you!”
FRACTAL…DIMENSIONAL…FINGER!!!!!!!!!
DEATH TO ALL, ALL WILL BURN
TO THRONE I WILL RETURN
Once More Now, And With Feeling/Truth
I wonder how long it has been since the match between White Chain and Solomon David began. Like 20 minutes?
THRONE! THRONE! THRONE!
Glory! Glory to the Celestial Emperor! End it rightly!
He needs a pommel to end him rightly
That’s the trick. The ultimate expression of Ki Rata is to convert one’s very soul into a pommel, so that it can be thrown at one’s enemies.
The logical endpoint of the principle of ending a man rightly.
Shouldn’t have left inky behind
…Okay then, the head of the empire I’ve made a drinks contract with is fighting another demiurge, breaking through space itself to arrive over my head, burning with purple fire.
Meaning it’s entirely possible the main Throne office is destroyed via collateral damage, or that I kick the bucket after deliberately leaving Rayuba early to avoid any deaths caused by a sudden change of power. Why did I think it was a good idea to get involved with that bloody tournament again?
He’s back baby
Cheer up if you survive you can collect on the insurance.
Act of demiurge is an exception in the policy.
Also, the Bank of the Grand Dragon may be a bit sluggish in issuing claims payments these days…
Do it Salami, destroy the Jaggahog.
No , not the Jaggahog ! Not the family values !
If someone wanted to destroy the universe, Maybe punching them back to the connection point where they all converge is a bad idea?
Jagganoth: “Just as planned!”
…yup
Soloman did threaten to throw Jagganoth’s body into the void beneath throne. is that seal yet active?
Solomon David knocked the big bad Hobgoblin from the center of his realm through Yavin IV, then Tatooine, then through someplace else all the way to Throne!
The third one was Nal Hutta.
Thank you, Osrek.
So *that’s* what getting punched into next week looks like.
Just so.
As I said in the last update, Solomon David has truly become Cans, punching people into next week.
Just as it all returns to Throne, so too does Kill Six Billion Demons inevitably return to Homestuck.
That makes Jagganoth the Prince of Time.
I always forget this started out as an MSPA fan comic.
I can tell that Solomon REALLY wants to kill Jagonoth here, but I don’t think he will. There’s just to many people in Throne, and the collateral damage would be too high. Salami-Dave wants to build, whereas Juggy only wants to destroy, and that’s why a fight between them can only end one way.
Ultimate victory is not found in beating your opponent. Ultimate victory is found in convincing your opponent to give up their fight.
The battle that ends all future battles. Ender of worlds. The final judgement. The cut that ends violence. No more seeking heaven. Nothing left but to turn back the wheel and try again.
I don’t think Solomon cares about the people in Throne, he cares about the people on his world(s). Hence he is reacting so violently now that his people are angry with him with the devastation.
I think Throne might get some damage.
The fight will end with Salami punching the Red God’s face so hard several of his teeth fly out… Only for Jagganoth to lean in and smile as he prepares to wipe out the universe.
“You should have gone for the hog.”
Royalty is a continuous dick-twisting motion
This comment wins the comment section forever.
Ayyyy, we’re still here! O_O
Thank you oh merciful and benevolent comics goblin
May his hands be blessed and his pages flow. Let us bear up the palanquin of his creativity with honor, humility, and the occasional hog joke.
So, Jagganoth’s been playing to lose this whole time?
I guess if you want to destroy everything, making yourself invulnerable and pissing off your fellow demiurges until someone punches you right through the linchpin of all creation is a method.
Jagganoth doesn’t like this cyclical bullshit anymore than anyone else. While he’s committed to seeing through his duty to the end, he’s perfectly happy if someone manages to kill him.
It’s a Thanatos Gambit. Either way, Jagganoth wins.
I dunno. It sounds like he only wins if he loses. He’d count it as a loss if he wins.
Not exactly, because a Thanatos Gambit requires the gambiteer to die to pull it off. Jagganoth has two “win” conditions: (1) he kills all the demiurges and somehow Metatron doesn’t hit the reset button before Jagg can destroy the multiverse and remake it, OR (2) someone defeats him, thereby breaking free of the cycles, since Jagganoth acting as “Metatron’s executioner” is a key part of the cycles, at least how he sees it.
Moreover, we know that while Jagganoth wants to be free, he’s also stated that he enjoys his role in the cycle. He gets to kill the demiurges and destroy the universe. And he doesn’t really remember from one cycle to another, so it’s always a fresh experience.
While he’d love to be free, his prison is not without its pleasures.
‘Enjoy’ isn’t really the word I would use. ‘Heartily sick of the whole thing’ sounds more like it.
But, when the Demiurges began to fight back Jagganoth’s reaction was ‘Finally’. It seems he doesn’t really care how this ends, as long as it finally does.
“A strange game. The only way to win is not to play.”
The best kind of game to watch.
It seems here that Jagganoth’s perspective actually parallels Solomon’s in the tournament. “End it! Free us both!” – “For the faintest hope that someday men like me need not exist.” Both seem to realize they’re part of the problem, but they can’t bring themselves to really change, only to wait for someone to show up who can force them to.
In Solomon’s case, White Chain and Jagganoth proved that was extremely the wrong approach. But somehow I doubt Jagganoth will learn it from him.
Interesting observation! That is a similar sentiment. It’s hard to know exactly why Jagganoth thinks this – but I theorize that Jagganoth’s original deal with Metatron was one of invincibility. This would be of great help to Jagganoth in his original goal of omnicide, and also act as a qualifier for the Rising Heir: only a sufficiently worthy heir will beat Jagganoth and so satisfy Metatron. Jagganoth likely accepted this deal before he was aware of the time loop.
If these assumptions are right, then Jagganoth would be pleased to lose, as it would be a condition that would break the loop.
Who’s going to sweep up all those bits of broken dimensional barriers? I bet those two aren’t going to bother.
The dead. The Ghost Market will get very interesting for a while.