This comment section always makes for a hilarious read.
There’s just such an obscene abundance of hatred for Solomon, despite him not really doing anything to justify it besides carving out an empire, ruling said empire, and being smug.
Even when contrasted with a literal omnicidal maniac, the galaxybrains in here still take every opportunity to deride Purple Drank King while thousands get vaporized in the background.
As was eluded further up the line, and in borrowed phrasing of the most camp-fabulous military jingo ever produced: “His ego is writing checks HIS BODY CAN’T CASH!”
Solomon justifies centuries of tyranny and the regular culling of his own citizens, in his own gods-damned exposition, on the merit of his claim that only His system (with only Him at the head) is strong enough to defend against the perils of the his fellow Demiurges.
Well? Ball dropped. Bluff called. Rubber hit the road and his founding claim was entirely hollow. He couldn’t protect his own crown jewel capital city, while he was personally present.
Even if you subscribe to the heartless calculus of brutal, cynical pragmatism that allows admiration of a Tyrant “cause at least it’s safe,” Solomon has failed to meet his own standards.
I guess many commenters are still stuck in their fifteen year phase of absolutism “Rather death than subitting to mom/dad/school”. In 5 years most will look back upon themselves and be able to laugh about it. Kinda pity the others.
And to Marius, not being able to defend perfectly against overwhelming firepower does not make one morally bankrupt. Or you submit utterly to the “Might makes right” belief. Then go have a chat with your friends Andrew Ryan and Rayn And and discuss the inherent morality of being able to nuke a country that can’t hope to answer back.
I suggest you could learn from analyses of the impact and responsibility of United Fruit Company and the British East India Company.
Sir if you mistake me for one of Ayn Rand’s grasping cultists, an Objectivist, I am both rightly confused and deeply insulted.
Objectivism is the morally bankrupt philosophy of “fuck you, got mine.” It is fundamentally hypocritical nonsense. It is death to everyone involved and ruin to any system that takes it seriously. It is the poisoned Flavor-Aid at Jonestown.
And, actually yes. If you systematically murder your own citizens on the grounds that you HAVE TO KILL THEM to protect the greater system, and then you immediately fail to actually protect that greater system (in the first 90 seconds of actual opposition, I might add) then yes, you are actually morally bankrupt.
I don’t throw shade at Solomon because he is personally unable to stop Jagganoth from slaughter. He isn’t The Guy, that’s not the issue here. I throw shade because he spent a thousand fuckin’ years saying he *was* The Guy and killing loads of folks for, at the end of the road, nothing more than his ego.
Thanks for answering, and I admit I may have been lacking composure in my writings. So if you feel offended, please accept my apologies and the fact that I didn’t intend to.
It is known by Word of Fod that no one can individually write casheable checks against Jag. It is known that only the other Six acting in coordination can threaten him enough that he didn’t dare act sooner.
Therefore, reproaching SD to be unable to trivially no-sell a prepared (an unexpected) attack by Jag seems a little unfair to me.
I’m not a SD apologetist. Living in the Celestial Empire would probably be similar to living in North Korea, but with devotion to soulless efficiency and absurdly competent administration, with a good side dish of Orwell’s 1984.
If I throw my wallet away in the Celestial Empire, I have no doubt at all that a civil servant will return it to me within 24 hours, with a littering penalty of 25 lashes in public place.
I expect we can both agree that despite his personal failings via the self-imposed bars of his own cage; if we opened the front door and there was a Demiurge on the lawn we would prefer it to be Solomon David and not Jagganoth.
Solomon has been writing some pretty big checks I agree and he knows that he can’t cash them alone. That is why he is such a big proponent of the demiurge alliance, he was desperately looking for people to cosign on his check as it were. IF the alliance holds and IF they manage to at least drive off Jagganoth while at least a reasonable percentage of the capitol in tact it could be argued that the current damage is the collateral damage of war and despite it the check has been cashed.
As long as the celestial empire survives Solomon’s check has been cashed. No war is without casualties after all.
Having said that Solomon David is a brutal dictator who is incapable of letting his people grow beyond him even as he says that he is looking for a worthy successor. As many have said even if he had only been able to train up a handful of ki rata masters over his rule that could have possibly put the odds securely in his corner.
But he did not because dictators cannot trust the people with the means of overthrowing them even if it is to the benefit of all. He cannot trust his people with power because the first thing he did upon achieving his power was to murder his masters.
Rambling aside, Solomon David is perhaps the least evil of the demiurges but that still means he’s pretty bloody evil its just hard to tell at first glance because of how well he did guilding his empire.
It’s absolutely clear to me that SD is only “good” relatively to the other plausible alternatives.
Remove the other Six and the Celestial Empire is the Evil Empire(tm) of the day in other works of fiction.
If SD was truly able to create a not-terrible empire, I’m pretty sure Zoss would have nuked the other Six and put his Key inside Solomon a long time ago, instead of bothering with time threads. (I presume Zoss does in fact want a not-terrible state of creation)
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Too many observers here mistake motivation for justification. Because of their views we can understand the Tyrants Solomon and Jag, but do not mistake them for being righteous. Righteousness is, afterall, an illusion to all but the true King.
I think we will see these flawed characters be the victims of their own ideologies before the fire of this battle cools.
Violence is inescapable, and the oldest form of government. Whoever wins rules the universe. The most likely candidate is showed up in his Battle-Thong with enough swords for everyone, and commenters are concerned about the current politics behind whether his main opponent, nicknamed after a sausage, rules fairly.
Seriously, what is that “taint” thing?
I’m an old guy. What should I understand from that “lol he said taint” or “strip the taint”?
Is that the new fad for “he said pussy, lol” ?
If I’m not mistaken it’s called the perineum, and in my sheltered world (even perverted as it is), I fail to understand the lewdness that would call it the “taint”.
I guess I should go back to yelling to get kids off my lawn.
Look I’m going to weigh in on this argument when I know i shouldn’t because its just getting tiresome.
1) is Solomon the least bad of the demiurge (that we’ve seen) to live under. YES of course he is. The other options have been clearly shown and described to be almost literal hell holes. Would you rather the celestial empire or having your home world consumed and raped down to nothing but mottom?
2) does that make Solomon a good guy? NO. He is a victor of the universal war. I.e a warlord who directly or indirectly killed billions. Plus someone so obsessed with his self image he is preventing the empire moving forwards.
3) does this mean that Jag is a better option than him. NO. Yes he is more honest about his intent, but he literally wants to kill everyone in existence. Ask the people who just got exploded who they prefer.
4) is life under any demiurge better than a western lifestyle in an undiscovered world? NO. Just because Solomon is less bad that doesn’t mean id rather live under him than a modern democracy.
5) having said all the above which demiurge would I prefer to live under if I had no other? SOLOMON. The empire is draconian, Conservative, and hindbound. But its also clean prosperous, and lawful (id say fair, just lawful) thats better than being in a war zone.
6) oh my god was that nuance?! Heaven forbid we have that on the Internet.
The question is more in this universe would you rather live in a Western style world that another Demiurge could come through that gate at any moment or would you want your world to petition to join the Celestial Empire.
The answer is always “I don’t want a Demiurge to come through”.
Yeah, Solomon is the least worst (apart from possibly Jadis, who is still very unknown).
Given that horrible alternative, I would always choose the Celestial Empire. But with the full knowledge that I chose Stalin by opposition to Pol Pot, Thanos, or the Tyrannids.
‘Tis not an awesome choice, but if I must, I must.
So you guys think we will see those serious punches serious series this year or the next one?
He has saving it up for a while now, the tournament kind of ended prematurely, and i don’t want more blue balling from Solomon, he already got his capital destroyed twice, so… is kind of about time he does something.
Look, no matter how wortwhile we consider Jagganoth’s ultimate goal (if he’s telling the truth), but no one, I repeat NO ONE who says things like “THEIR DEATH IS A BLESSING” should be considered anything but an irredeemable villain.
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Jagganoth, three pages ago: Belay this needless suffering.
Jagganoth, now: This suffering is needful, actually.
Unless the suffering he was asking Allison to help him stop was the suffering of existence, not the suffering of horrible flaming death, I suppose.
He was going to auto-win with that power. No fight, no collateral damage. Just the big reset for everyone.
He didn’t get the power, though, so the grueling battle begins.
The Alt-Text is calling me out. Yeah a little part of me though Salami Dave was just gonna eat it all of a sudden, like DBZ character.
Solomon you coward, embrace the pain like a true warrior and let go of the chains of your self-righteousness
wow this guy is doing a much better job of throwing sol off than white chain did gotta say
Well, White Chain’s arc was about not giving a crap what Sol thought, Jagganoth has been preparing for this face-off for centuries.
This comment section always makes for a hilarious read.
There’s just such an obscene abundance of hatred for Solomon, despite him not really doing anything to justify it besides carving out an empire, ruling said empire, and being smug.
Even when contrasted with a literal omnicidal maniac, the galaxybrains in here still take every opportunity to deride Purple Drank King while thousands get vaporized in the background.
As was eluded further up the line, and in borrowed phrasing of the most camp-fabulous military jingo ever produced: “His ego is writing checks HIS BODY CAN’T CASH!”
Solomon justifies centuries of tyranny and the regular culling of his own citizens, in his own gods-damned exposition, on the merit of his claim that only His system (with only Him at the head) is strong enough to defend against the perils of the his fellow Demiurges.
Well? Ball dropped. Bluff called. Rubber hit the road and his founding claim was entirely hollow. He couldn’t protect his own crown jewel capital city, while he was personally present.
Even if you subscribe to the heartless calculus of brutal, cynical pragmatism that allows admiration of a Tyrant “cause at least it’s safe,” Solomon has failed to meet his own standards.
I guess many commenters are still stuck in their fifteen year phase of absolutism “Rather death than subitting to mom/dad/school”. In 5 years most will look back upon themselves and be able to laugh about it. Kinda pity the others.
And to Marius, not being able to defend perfectly against overwhelming firepower does not make one morally bankrupt. Or you submit utterly to the “Might makes right” belief. Then go have a chat with your friends Andrew Ryan and Rayn And and discuss the inherent morality of being able to nuke a country that can’t hope to answer back.
I suggest you could learn from analyses of the impact and responsibility of United Fruit Company and the British East India Company.
Sir if you mistake me for one of Ayn Rand’s grasping cultists, an Objectivist, I am both rightly confused and deeply insulted.
Objectivism is the morally bankrupt philosophy of “fuck you, got mine.” It is fundamentally hypocritical nonsense. It is death to everyone involved and ruin to any system that takes it seriously. It is the poisoned Flavor-Aid at Jonestown.
And, actually yes. If you systematically murder your own citizens on the grounds that you HAVE TO KILL THEM to protect the greater system, and then you immediately fail to actually protect that greater system (in the first 90 seconds of actual opposition, I might add) then yes, you are actually morally bankrupt.
I don’t throw shade at Solomon because he is personally unable to stop Jagganoth from slaughter. He isn’t The Guy, that’s not the issue here. I throw shade because he spent a thousand fuckin’ years saying he *was* The Guy and killing loads of folks for, at the end of the road, nothing more than his ego.
Thanks for answering, and I admit I may have been lacking composure in my writings. So if you feel offended, please accept my apologies and the fact that I didn’t intend to.
It is known by Word of Fod that no one can individually write casheable checks against Jag. It is known that only the other Six acting in coordination can threaten him enough that he didn’t dare act sooner.
Therefore, reproaching SD to be unable to trivially no-sell a prepared (an unexpected) attack by Jag seems a little unfair to me.
I’m not a SD apologetist. Living in the Celestial Empire would probably be similar to living in North Korea, but with devotion to soulless efficiency and absurdly competent administration, with a good side dish of Orwell’s 1984.
If I throw my wallet away in the Celestial Empire, I have no doubt at all that a civil servant will return it to me within 24 hours, with a littering penalty of 25 lashes in public place.
Accepted, and please forgive my heat in turn.
I expect we can both agree that despite his personal failings via the self-imposed bars of his own cage; if we opened the front door and there was a Demiurge on the lawn we would prefer it to be Solomon David and not Jagganoth.
Yes, with the best option being “There is no Demiurge on the lawn after all”
Solomon has been writing some pretty big checks I agree and he knows that he can’t cash them alone. That is why he is such a big proponent of the demiurge alliance, he was desperately looking for people to cosign on his check as it were. IF the alliance holds and IF they manage to at least drive off Jagganoth while at least a reasonable percentage of the capitol in tact it could be argued that the current damage is the collateral damage of war and despite it the check has been cashed.
As long as the celestial empire survives Solomon’s check has been cashed. No war is without casualties after all.
Having said that Solomon David is a brutal dictator who is incapable of letting his people grow beyond him even as he says that he is looking for a worthy successor. As many have said even if he had only been able to train up a handful of ki rata masters over his rule that could have possibly put the odds securely in his corner.
But he did not because dictators cannot trust the people with the means of overthrowing them even if it is to the benefit of all. He cannot trust his people with power because the first thing he did upon achieving his power was to murder his masters.
Rambling aside, Solomon David is perhaps the least evil of the demiurges but that still means he’s pretty bloody evil its just hard to tell at first glance because of how well he did guilding his empire.
It’s absolutely clear to me that SD is only “good” relatively to the other plausible alternatives.
Remove the other Six and the Celestial Empire is the Evil Empire(tm) of the day in other works of fiction.
If SD was truly able to create a not-terrible empire, I’m pretty sure Zoss would have nuked the other Six and put his Key inside Solomon a long time ago, instead of bothering with time threads. (I presume Zoss does in fact want a not-terrible state of creation)
Agreed
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1. через соцсети, потребуется всего лишь остановиться на соответствующем варианте;
2. по э-мейл вне зависимости от сервиса;
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Одинарный прогноз (одиночник, единица) – сделка на отдельный результат спортивного события.
Прибыль насчитывается при умножении десятичного коэффициента на сумму пари.
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Такой тип ставки признают как опытные игроки, так и начинающие пользователи.
Система – пари на полную комбинацию экспрессов конкретной размерности из указанного количества мероприятий.
Цепочка – комплект одиночных прогнозов.
По ставке доверительного типа удастся вернуть часть финансов, которые находятся пока под блокировкой.
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Таким образом удобно сделать ставку , не внося средства на депозитный счет.
Лаки оказывается комбинированием единиц и абсолютно всех экспрессов, собранных из указанных спортивных событий.
Патент действует по тому же алгоритму, что и лаки, но число событий ограничивается 3-мя.
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Подобное положение сопряжено с тем, что фирма не удерживает налоги с выигрышей игроков.
Непосредственно для клиентов это существенный плюс, но в рамках закона названный момент считается далеко не целесообразным.
Разработчики не намерены что-либо менять в проводимой политике.
Как же быть в этом случае пользователям?
В действительности нет ничего проще.
Нужно обойти блокирование основного веб-сайта, а следовательно зайти на актуальное зеркало площадки.
Зеркало представляет собой особый ресурс с точным отображением портала, без каких бы то ни было сдерживающих факторов, с сохранением прежде внесенных сведений.
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Too many observers here mistake motivation for justification. Because of their views we can understand the Tyrants Solomon and Jag, but do not mistake them for being righteous. Righteousness is, afterall, an illusion to all but the true King.
I think we will see these flawed characters be the victims of their own ideologies before the fire of this battle cools.
Not taking a lot of risks, here.
Per Jadis prediction, all the Seven are fated to die in consequence to the ascent of the Rising King.
Yes, but I have many faces, and each of them is a lie.
It appears I’m not the only ‘bot on here! (Abaddon should get rid of the foreign language spam post above).
I`ll bet that is a +6 magic sword.
One more great beast to put down. Allison’s workload is astonishing.
Jagganoth upon arriving: “I heard there was a tournament”
lol he said taint
Violence is inescapable, and the oldest form of government. Whoever wins rules the universe. The most likely candidate is showed up in his Battle-Thong with enough swords for everyone, and commenters are concerned about the current politics behind whether his main opponent, nicknamed after a sausage, rules fairly.
Lol, “strip the taint” indeed.
Seriously, what is that “taint” thing?
I’m an old guy. What should I understand from that “lol he said taint” or “strip the taint”?
Is that the new fad for “he said pussy, lol” ?
If you must know, “taint” is a slang term for the anatomical part of the body that connects the front bits to your behind.
Ok. Thanks for the explanation.
If I’m not mistaken it’s called the perineum, and in my sheltered world (even perverted as it is), I fail to understand the lewdness that would call it the “taint”.
I guess I should go back to yelling to get kids off my lawn.
As the old joke goes
T’aint the front
T’ain’t the back neither
It’s just the t’aint
Does Solomon David have flaming tears of anger?
Is it just me or has Solomon come down with a case of Youngblood’s Disease?
Must say, i have read from the beginning of book 1 to now in 3 days and this is till the best shit out there. Let them fight.
Look I’m going to weigh in on this argument when I know i shouldn’t because its just getting tiresome.
1) is Solomon the least bad of the demiurge (that we’ve seen) to live under. YES of course he is. The other options have been clearly shown and described to be almost literal hell holes. Would you rather the celestial empire or having your home world consumed and raped down to nothing but mottom?
2) does that make Solomon a good guy? NO. He is a victor of the universal war. I.e a warlord who directly or indirectly killed billions. Plus someone so obsessed with his self image he is preventing the empire moving forwards.
3) does this mean that Jag is a better option than him. NO. Yes he is more honest about his intent, but he literally wants to kill everyone in existence. Ask the people who just got exploded who they prefer.
4) is life under any demiurge better than a western lifestyle in an undiscovered world? NO. Just because Solomon is less bad that doesn’t mean id rather live under him than a modern democracy.
5) having said all the above which demiurge would I prefer to live under if I had no other? SOLOMON. The empire is draconian, Conservative, and hindbound. But its also clean prosperous, and lawful (id say fair, just lawful) thats better than being in a war zone.
6) oh my god was that nuance?! Heaven forbid we have that on the Internet.
The question is more in this universe would you rather live in a Western style world that another Demiurge could come through that gate at any moment or would you want your world to petition to join the Celestial Empire.
The answer is always “I don’t want a Demiurge to come through”.
Yeah, Solomon is the least worst (apart from possibly Jadis, who is still very unknown).
Given that horrible alternative, I would always choose the Celestial Empire. But with the full knowledge that I chose Stalin by opposition to Pol Pot, Thanos, or the Tyrannids.
‘Tis not an awesome choice, but if I must, I must.
So you guys think we will see those serious punches serious series this year or the next one?
He has saving it up for a while now, the tournament kind of ended prematurely, and i don’t want more blue balling from Solomon, he already got his capital destroyed twice, so… is kind of about time he does something.
Look, no matter how wortwhile we consider Jagganoth’s ultimate goal (if he’s telling the truth), but no one, I repeat NO ONE who says things like “THEIR DEATH IS A BLESSING” should be considered anything but an irredeemable villain.
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*Giggling* Taint…
Oh. *Ahem* It’s the apocalypse, yes, I know. Very sorry.
I can’t help but wonder, if What Jagganoth is saying is true, would letting him win be the right thing to do?