But seriously “You threw a burning spear through my chest and tried to kill me, and my response is to De-power you temporarily, and ask you the surrender” is… actually pretty damned reasonable?
Like… “Burning finger” sounds like a deliberately low powered attack, and that seems like an important lesson here; even when the Stakes were high WC had the restraint to use minimal force (Given her present goals).
We might not AGREE with those goals, but WC has been pretty good about being careful while chasing them.
We have seen White Chain use this technique before, in the fight with the Petal Knight 33 Judicious Rains, and it was a technique strong enough to spur the rogue Aeon to surrender. I suggest you review this fight to remind yourself of our dear Aeon’s fatal flaw.
Next You also must take into account that our beloved Heir has a few unearned perks, namely being able to take blows that by all accounts should have killed or seriously injured her in stride. See how she took a blade to the eye, and had her throat slit and still continues to draw breath.
To call what White Chain has done ‘Restraint’ is a gross mischaracterization. She struck as hard as she could, on an opponent that by all means lowered her guard, with a technique strong enough to cripple an Aeon. It is only by Allison’s Inheritance, and her Devil-Armor that she remains alive.
Allicio has already tried to de-escalate the situation, twice, if you consider the lowering of her guard to be a de-escalation, and both times White Chain had spat in her face, and doubled down. Allison is the one dealing with a threat to her mortality in this conflict, not White Chain, and there is only one being curled up and pleading for their life. White-Chain once proclaimed to Juggernaut Star that she would never become like them, never become a murderer, and yet in losing herself in her Wrath, she has become so like Juggernaut Star that even her Voice and Form reflect the Thorn Knight.
On the other hand, that might be the level of force necessary to actually disarm a devilskin warrior with a key of kings. You don’t try capturing a kaiju alive using a mancatcher.
And yet, if 82 White Chain Born in Emptiness Returns to Subdue Evil actually had lethal intent in her blow, would she suddenly be offering submission now?
No, if White Chain’s goal was to deal lethal damage to Allicio, she would continue doing so, for angels are singular in purpose. (Note, as well, the strategic placement of the blow: we know from White Chain’s fighting in Hell 71 that devilskin women can have their masks knocked off if struck quickly from behind. This was a strategic blow, intended to defuse but not harm Allicio). In this entire altercation between them, White Chain’s goal has been to de-escalate the whole situation. After all, what happens when you throw Allicio, inflamed with power, up against Solomon David?
Death, universal war, or worse. White Chain has finally deescalated the situation.
One feels one should point out it was my brother who angrily attacked Allicio – in their opinion as “one more of the ruiners of heaven” – and landed an angelic mawashigeri to the face while Allicio was dealing with the last of other contestants (in continued non-lethal fashion of stamping the plinths). And then followed up with Ovis’Palm while Allicio was trying to talk with her.
Instead of the persuasive, reasoned, verbal, argument that Allison’s not ready to face Salami, and just a bit ‘drunk’ on the new power that had been realised by Cio’s knowledge of how to use the key better, White Chain caused and conflagrated this entire altercation between them. Even Cio tried to talk to White Chain and get them to de-escalate what they’d started.
Nand’s ‘daughter’ devils in Hell 71 were unceremoniously sent back to the Void with all necessary prejudice. And WC’s final technique Burning Finger is harsh enough to completely surprise another angel that it would even be used, and cause them to beg for clemency. We witnessed that day as well a wroth White Chain, full of wrath, and out of control anger, heavily influenced by her own still unresolved issues.
As outlined in Broken Worlds, Burning Finger has a tendency to cripple those it’s used on, and can outright banish angels and devils alike to the void.
Additionally, Preem Nand’s ‘dolls’ are not Devilskinned warriors, they were devils, plain and simple. They were merely placed directly upon a human soul flame, as it bared a striking resemblance to the poor souls being feasted on in the White-Eyed Woman.
Not to mention, a blow can be struck with lethal intent, and clemency offered. They’re not mutually exclusive (So long as the blow is struck without the intent for instantaneous death). However, I could argue that White Chain offered clemency, not because she intended to to so from the start, but because pummeling a defenseless human into a bloody stain on the floor is distasteful for the Aeon. Yet, as we’ve seen in the same bout in Hell 71. She’s not above doing so in anger and if there is anyone capable of telling if White Chain’s blows and intent is to kill, it would be Allison, her student. and lo, what words are leaving her mouth? A demand to be taken seriously as an opponent? A lamentation that she was too weak to overcome her teacher?
Her ‘goal’ in this fight, as with all fights, is to win, by any and all means necessary. She only offered clemency now because she knew she could kill Allison with ease, or continue to break her body and will until she did. You’re ascribing too much restraint to an Aeon who is currently using an ancient Devil-Slaying art that is implied to be a danger to herself, who is acting in anger and fear.
I merely want to put forward the idea that White Chain didn’t KNOW what would happen to Allison, and in those moments, didn’t care in the slightest. She was fighting one more ruiner of heaven. One more vile creature. And now that she has indeed won, she is burdened with the regret and pain her actions, fueled by anger and fear have caused.
Ah, forgive this one. The bout in Hell 71 did not show too much of White Chain’s Wrath, but rather White Chain’s role in the War of the Teacups in the palace of the usurper Mottom.
An angel messanger of proper God order destroys an union between two women casue they are too pwoerful in her opinion.
Figures.
But seriously it’s anticlimatic as hell for me seeing this resolution to Allicio getting defeated like that. And by who.
Even WC seems to be ashamed of this story development.
Interesting that in many ways this is a reprise of the fight white chain had back in 7-28 with the thorn knight, including the use of the burning finger to defeat her foe and her righteous anger that Nyave interceded against. That thorn angel was trying to surrender also and white chain was going to murder her. Interesting call back to that aspect of white chain and her evolution moving forward.
Pivotal moments for both characters, a broken Alyson and a broken angel.
Also Nyave is going to be pissed, that’s frankly a terrible way to run a distraction…
It would seem the rose’s thorns sprout when the drive to impose their Will on the world is kindled
I wonder what emotion must be kindled to make the vines petals to bloom, or roots to take hold
Can a flower feel shame for drawing the blood of those who would seek its scent?
When the dust settles, the yells have quieted and the defeated lay on the ground the real moment of strength and fear arrives when the victor is confronted with the consequences and horrors of their own power.
And why is she surprised that White Chain looked like she was going to kill her? In the previous page she literally took a killshot at White Chain and internally rejoiced about it before she realised she had been duped. All of this while still in the middle of a literal deathmatch. Get your head out of your ass you stubborn bitch you’ve still got shit to learn, how hard is that to aknowledge?
Nah that’s my bad, didn’t read for a day or two and accidentaly skipped the last page where she was mournful. Either way she’s had a shitty attitude to being told that she hasn’t mastered her powers for ages now so the point of knowing your own limits still stands.
wait where did you make a point about her not knowing her own limits? also she did learn her limits but WC decided to keep going instead thus negating that lesson.
Heh. If Zoss&Co. had stayed out of Throne, none of this mess would have ever happened. Royalty. Never can keep their bloated egos out of things that are none of their business.
i like the parallel between this fight and the fight between allison and cio earlier in the story. i can only hope it ends as well! allison has to be accompanied by a white and a black flame, remember, and she’s already accompanied by cio.
42 Fragments the Universe Beyond All Reintegration
For those who like their plots bitter as well as twisted, here’s an idea.
While Alison and White Chain argue and try to rein their emotions, Cio wakes up, goes full Yabby and attacks White Chain. The angel, not yet fully in control of herself, slaps Cio clean into the void, breaking her mask. Allison flees, carrying the mask fragments.
Book 5 then opens with Allison truly alone, separated from her friends and hunted by White Chain (and many others). She has to rely entirely on her own strength and wits while taking desperate risks to get her girlfriend restored.
White Chain may have gone a step too far. I wouldn’t be surprised if this time Allison broke ties with her, especially after faking her own death to get in a sucker punch. Great work teacher, you’ve scarred your student using the worst dirty trick possible.
So it seems Angel bodies even without the ash suits are… quite solid for something made of fire. So is the suit just like, an anchor that keeps them in this plane?
There’s extra dice left in the back
or side if you’re using a map
that shows the walls but hides the trap
Watch the candles we left burning,
Dying out like wheel’s turning,
Slowly fill the gap. Roll the
Dice, and hear your conscience yearning.
well at least nobody has to fight dad now.
Dig how much can be expressed by White Chain changing color.
Ah the sin of Wroth,the animal that consumes the virtue known as Patience
So… yeah, WC is angry and pissed here…
But seriously “You threw a burning spear through my chest and tried to kill me, and my response is to De-power you temporarily, and ask you the surrender” is… actually pretty damned reasonable?
Like… “Burning finger” sounds like a deliberately low powered attack, and that seems like an important lesson here; even when the Stakes were high WC had the restraint to use minimal force (Given her present goals).
We might not AGREE with those goals, but WC has been pretty good about being careful while chasing them.
We have seen White Chain use this technique before, in the fight with the Petal Knight 33 Judicious Rains, and it was a technique strong enough to spur the rogue Aeon to surrender. I suggest you review this fight to remind yourself of our dear Aeon’s fatal flaw.
Next You also must take into account that our beloved Heir has a few unearned perks, namely being able to take blows that by all accounts should have killed or seriously injured her in stride. See how she took a blade to the eye, and had her throat slit and still continues to draw breath.
To call what White Chain has done ‘Restraint’ is a gross mischaracterization. She struck as hard as she could, on an opponent that by all means lowered her guard, with a technique strong enough to cripple an Aeon. It is only by Allison’s Inheritance, and her Devil-Armor that she remains alive.
Allicio has already tried to de-escalate the situation, twice, if you consider the lowering of her guard to be a de-escalation, and both times White Chain had spat in her face, and doubled down. Allison is the one dealing with a threat to her mortality in this conflict, not White Chain, and there is only one being curled up and pleading for their life. White-Chain once proclaimed to Juggernaut Star that she would never become like them, never become a murderer, and yet in losing herself in her Wrath, she has become so like Juggernaut Star that even her Voice and Form reflect the Thorn Knight.
Just so. Thank you.
On the other hand, that might be the level of force necessary to actually disarm a devilskin warrior with a key of kings. You don’t try capturing a kaiju alive using a mancatcher.
And yet, if 82 White Chain Born in Emptiness Returns to Subdue Evil actually had lethal intent in her blow, would she suddenly be offering submission now?
No, if White Chain’s goal was to deal lethal damage to Allicio, she would continue doing so, for angels are singular in purpose. (Note, as well, the strategic placement of the blow: we know from White Chain’s fighting in Hell 71 that devilskin women can have their masks knocked off if struck quickly from behind. This was a strategic blow, intended to defuse but not harm Allicio). In this entire altercation between them, White Chain’s goal has been to de-escalate the whole situation. After all, what happens when you throw Allicio, inflamed with power, up against Solomon David?
Death, universal war, or worse. White Chain has finally deescalated the situation.
One feels one should point out it was my brother who angrily attacked Allicio – in their opinion as “one more of the ruiners of heaven” – and landed an angelic mawashigeri to the face while Allicio was dealing with the last of other contestants (in continued non-lethal fashion of stamping the plinths). And then followed up with Ovis’Palm while Allicio was trying to talk with her.
Instead of the persuasive, reasoned, verbal, argument that Allison’s not ready to face Salami, and just a bit ‘drunk’ on the new power that had been realised by Cio’s knowledge of how to use the key better, White Chain caused and conflagrated this entire altercation between them. Even Cio tried to talk to White Chain and get them to de-escalate what they’d started.
Nand’s ‘daughter’ devils in Hell 71 were unceremoniously sent back to the Void with all necessary prejudice. And WC’s final technique Burning Finger is harsh enough to completely surprise another angel that it would even be used, and cause them to beg for clemency. We witnessed that day as well a wroth White Chain, full of wrath, and out of control anger, heavily influenced by her own still unresolved issues.
As outlined in Broken Worlds, Burning Finger has a tendency to cripple those it’s used on, and can outright banish angels and devils alike to the void.
Additionally, Preem Nand’s ‘dolls’ are not Devilskinned warriors, they were devils, plain and simple. They were merely placed directly upon a human soul flame, as it bared a striking resemblance to the poor souls being feasted on in the White-Eyed Woman.
Not to mention, a blow can be struck with lethal intent, and clemency offered. They’re not mutually exclusive (So long as the blow is struck without the intent for instantaneous death). However, I could argue that White Chain offered clemency, not because she intended to to so from the start, but because pummeling a defenseless human into a bloody stain on the floor is distasteful for the Aeon. Yet, as we’ve seen in the same bout in Hell 71. She’s not above doing so in anger and if there is anyone capable of telling if White Chain’s blows and intent is to kill, it would be Allison, her student. and lo, what words are leaving her mouth? A demand to be taken seriously as an opponent? A lamentation that she was too weak to overcome her teacher?
Her ‘goal’ in this fight, as with all fights, is to win, by any and all means necessary. She only offered clemency now because she knew she could kill Allison with ease, or continue to break her body and will until she did. You’re ascribing too much restraint to an Aeon who is currently using an ancient Devil-Slaying art that is implied to be a danger to herself, who is acting in anger and fear.
I merely want to put forward the idea that White Chain didn’t KNOW what would happen to Allison, and in those moments, didn’t care in the slightest. She was fighting one more ruiner of heaven. One more vile creature. And now that she has indeed won, she is burdened with the regret and pain her actions, fueled by anger and fear have caused.
Ah, forgive this one. The bout in Hell 71 did not show too much of White Chain’s Wrath, but rather White Chain’s role in the War of the Teacups in the palace of the usurper Mottom.
An angel messanger of proper God order destroys an union between two women casue they are too pwoerful in her opinion.
Figures.
But seriously it’s anticlimatic as hell for me seeing this resolution to Allicio getting defeated like that. And by who.
Even WC seems to be ashamed of this story development.
And for a moment opens the path of thorns…
Interesting that in many ways this is a reprise of the fight white chain had back in 7-28 with the thorn knight, including the use of the burning finger to defeat her foe and her righteous anger that Nyave interceded against. That thorn angel was trying to surrender also and white chain was going to murder her. Interesting call back to that aspect of white chain and her evolution moving forward.
Pivotal moments for both characters, a broken Alyson and a broken angel.
Also Nyave is going to be pissed, that’s frankly a terrible way to run a distraction…
That was in 7-80, sorry
That was not a thorn knight, but a petal knight, more or less their opposite.
Thanks for the correction.
It would seem the rose’s thorns sprout when the drive to impose their Will on the world is kindled
I wonder what emotion must be kindled to make the vines petals to bloom, or roots to take hold
Can a flower feel shame for drawing the blood of those who would seek its scent?
Sorry 7-80 was the fight
Oh well. Cio very nearly killed Allison before they managed to talk things out. I guess that’s just how things work in this family.
So does that mean we’re gonna have another time skip that opens with Allison and White Chain banging?
fucking humans…. i guess in both senses of the word
When the dust settles, the yells have quieted and the defeated lay on the ground the real moment of strength and fear arrives when the victor is confronted with the consequences and horrors of their own power.
What an asshole. >:|
Recall the conversation about bluffing in 7-60?
And why is she surprised that White Chain looked like she was going to kill her? In the previous page she literally took a killshot at White Chain and internally rejoiced about it before she realised she had been duped. All of this while still in the middle of a literal deathmatch. Get your head out of your ass you stubborn bitch you’ve still got shit to learn, how hard is that to aknowledge?
“and internally rejoiced about it”
wat. that didn’t happen at all. like are we reading the same comic?
Nah that’s my bad, didn’t read for a day or two and accidentaly skipped the last page where she was mournful. Either way she’s had a shitty attitude to being told that she hasn’t mastered her powers for ages now so the point of knowing your own limits still stands.
wait where did you make a point about her not knowing her own limits? also she did learn her limits but WC decided to keep going instead thus negating that lesson.
“and internally rejoiced about it ”
How the hell is that the interpretation you got from the last page
With Allicio bested this leaves us with only two participants. And White Chain’s shell is exposed… (sweats in angelic)
STAR FINGER
Somehow I knee this would happen, yet it caught of guard. Time to see what happens next
Death to all angels tbh
Zoss agrees.
Heh. If Zoss&Co. had stayed out of Throne, none of this mess would have ever happened. Royalty. Never can keep their bloated egos out of things that are none of their business.
i like the parallel between this fight and the fight between allison and cio earlier in the story. i can only hope it ends as well! allison has to be accompanied by a white and a black flame, remember, and she’s already accompanied by cio.
For those who like their plots bitter as well as twisted, here’s an idea.
While Alison and White Chain argue and try to rein their emotions, Cio wakes up, goes full Yabby and attacks White Chain. The angel, not yet fully in control of herself, slaps Cio clean into the void, breaking her mask. Allison flees, carrying the mask fragments.
Book 5 then opens with Allison truly alone, separated from her friends and hunted by White Chain (and many others). She has to rely entirely on her own strength and wits while taking desperate risks to get her girlfriend restored.
i bet she is bluffing now, 100%
I’ll be extremely disappointed if she’s not. As much as I enjoy White Chain, I just want Alison to have ONE victory against that pompous shit.
NOBODY WINS
FATALITY
White Chain may have gone a step too far. I wouldn’t be surprised if this time Allison broke ties with her, especially after faking her own death to get in a sucker punch. Great work teacher, you’ve scarred your student using the worst dirty trick possible.
Now that we know about this combo thing, there will come a time when they all reconcile and we get the ultimate combo – Alison, white chain, Cio.
So it seems Angel bodies even without the ash suits are… quite solid for something made of fire. So is the suit just like, an anchor that keeps them in this plane?
Yes, their flame is too cold to exist outside of the void… so they wear armor made of ash that fills the void
Oh White Chain; not only are you a traitor, but now you’re stealing G Gundam moves too?
For shame.