Fuck, what’s gonna be next folks, shall we get offended for the oppressed masses–in all their myriad shapes and types and forms and kinks–as they yearn to be recognized and given the respect they are due as FICTIONAL PIECES WITHIN A BROADER WORKER OF FICTION?
If you prick them, do they not bleed, if you hurl invectives at them, do they not shudder and cringe?
I mean, the time our home-slice Abbadon has invested into bringing this cosmos to life makes me think perhaps if you stabbed a print version it might begin bleeding ink, but that is no more of a stretch than the idea that the two flirty pieces of his story on this page are being slighted in some way.
I get reflexive defense of those powerless to prevent being objectified, but when you’re trying to defend an actual object… you went too far.
Abbadon has probably noticed me lurking around here for the last half a decade and knows I love him and the things he do.
So if not him then am I supposed to be more respectful to the folks I was saying should knock off the “let’s get offended for these poor gay demons and godlings so we can talk shit about male gaze though we kinda forgot the beefcake Solomon from a chapter or so back heh, whoops” nonsense?
Nuh-uh, nope, fresh out of all that, maybe after they settle up and admit they overreacted we can look into it.
Again: why does it make sense to slot these interactions into the “lesbianism” folder when one half of the interaction is sleek, spiny, verging on fully insectoid, and only pretending to be a cute little woman?
Yeah, Cio had her lesbian-turn-on buttons pressed by Allison, but the things I find appealing about Cio aren’t the same things I find appealing about women generally.
“let’s get offended for these poor gay demons and godlings so we can talk shit about male gaze though we kinda forgot the beefcake Solomon from a chapter or so back heh, whoops”
If you’re going to compare men being shirtless to women being objectified you’ve already lost.
damn i wish for a world where discussion like this are obsolete because homosexual relationships are as normal as heterosexual are.
btw i love this comic to bits and chio is my favorite character
Homosexual relationships ARE as normal as heterosexual relationships (even though not everyone condones them). To me, it seems the debate is rather about the way it was presented. Some seem to feel it is “pandering” to the masses or “fetishistic” – which if you’ve read the comments from the last 6 years, the masses have been clamoring for exactly what Abbadon has finally given to us.
Some folks seem to think it is “inappropriate”(?) or maybe “insensitive”(?) for a non-gay writer to portray gay characters in this way.
Personally, I think this is where the story has been heading for years now. It is what it is.
This isn’t about you being a gay women. Nobody here cares about whats between your legs and what you munch on. Its about you being so close minded you think a man isn’t allowed to write a lesbian relationship. Its also about you making a bunch of early assumptions about the story even though nothing has really happened yet.
Get over yourself, really.
It’s a drag when the only speaking you do is to complain.
Yet again, progressives prove themselves to be the least progressive people in the room as they dictate who is allowed to write what, based on what is between their legs.
I’m genuinely saddened to see this much bullshit in the comments section over something I didn’t even register as remotely contentious.
Stop making enemies where there are none.
If we were only able to write stories about things about people, things and scenarios that are relevant to us as people, we’d have a fucking abysmally boring collection of books about people driving to work and bing watching netflix.
You don’t have to be a lesibian to write about a lesbian relationship, if you think that’s a pre requisite for the job, I’d argue you don’t understand what fiction is to begin with.
That derailed my train of thought. Two major reveals in a single page. The creation one is the more significant, especially since that’s a plum and plums figure in a lot of the history/mythology of this world.
♥ “A girl was lost in a garden, and she was hungry.
The girl played in her garden, and she was hungry.
She was too small to find the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
The girl found the fruit, and she was hungry,
But she was too small to reach the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
The girl plucked the fruit, and she was hungry,
But she was too small to bite the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
And so she ate.
She was strong enough to take it,
And clever enough to find it.
Weep for the fruit, for it was was chased by a girl.
Weep for the fruit, for it is dead.
Weep for the tree, for it lost a child.
Weep for the garden, for it witnessed this.
Weep for the fruit, the tree and the garden,
For years they lived in fear of a girl.
You’ve been doing mostly nothing but snapping back against the people replying to you, so yea, I wouldn’t say you’re doing much to make people here reconsider.
Somebody check my math: a plum weighs ~2.3 oz, or 0.1437 lbs. 1 cubic foot of air weighs 0.0807 lbs. So assuming a straight mass to mass conversion, creating that plum used up ~1.78 cubic feet of air.
It’s a bit early to declare this romance as poorly written. This was obviously written as a surprise reveal.
Would not surprise me if later flashbacks show that they’ve been shacking up for weeks by this point- their manner sounds more like a not-quite-committed couple than this being the start of the relationship.
I don’t understand why people find it unexpected or surprising. Allison asked Cio out on a date a year ago, back at Yre. I mean the entire story of Yre was about Allison and Cio trying to push each other away, then ultimately coming back together.
So… a lot of people in the comments seem to think this relationship came out of nowhere. That it wasn’t built up over time. These people are incorrect. They are of course welcome to their opinions on whether or not it was built well, but it was built.
The book Allison is holding is Cio’s fanfiction. Cio threw the book away when she agreed to help Allison rob Yre. Allison kept it. That’s so straightforward it’s almost a trope: Allison loves Cio, at the very least as a friend. And Cio’s love for Allison was made obvious when she agreed to help Allison rob Yre. (It was obvious before that, but that’s probably the most concrete example.)
At Yre, Allison and Cio fell out because Allison put her quest over Cio’s desire to escape her old ways. This falling out culminated in the events of the linked page. Again, this is so straightforward it’s almost a trope: after trying to deny their feelings for each other, and realizing just how awful things are without each other, they both finally open up to each other.
Allison isn’t straight, as was made pretty clear in the first few pages, when she showed absolutely zero desire to have sex with her boyfriend. Allison being the self-repressive basket case she is, she never admitted even to herself that she might be queer. Her moment with Cio at Yre finally cracked that wall. Allison tried a few times to patch the wall back together (see previous statement, re: basketcase), but as they left Yre, Allison finally let herself feel what she was feeling, and asked Cio out on a date.
This relationship has been built, brick by brick, over the course of almost this entire comic. This comic has a lot going on, so it’s entirely possible to miss stuff like that. Heck, I certainly missed it my first readthrough. But it’s absolutely there.
when people are talking about “the 00001 splash page”, do they mean page which had the highest ranking servant of Mammon, who had that silly outfit consisting mostly of straps ?
Yes. Consider that that is her EDITED to be, quoting Abaddon, “less horny”. The previous outfit was even worse. Honestly the current panel isn’t that much better.
Yes, she was practically in underwear + a chastity belt. I don’t think Abaddon is aware that a chastity belt isn’t exactly something women put on themselves, it’s something a man would put on a woman to prevent their autonomy.
Like I am pretty sure he saw Fury Road and the dramatic scene where the first thing the “wives” do is break out of them…
I was under the impression that chastity belts were a far more recent invention than most people think. there’s a perception of things like, the knights on crusade would lock up their wives until their return, but there’s zero evidence, and it’s a fairly modern myth.
Some women apparently did wear such devices in like, the 16th-19th centuries, as protection from bandits while travelling, or working women using them as protection from employers. Or even as a political statement, such as some women who were in positions of influence – the king’s mother and so on.
In any case, prior to the invention of modern metallurgy, and the whole thing with the bdsm culture, there’s not a great deal of evidence of men controlling women with such things.
Art is more than its one-line verbal description. To me, she looks like what a self-flagellating woman who walks around all day wrapped in leather straps would actually look like: grimy, even grotesque. I can practically smell her. She’s got gaping wounds in her arms. She’s got nails hammered into her flesh, all over her body, and they’ve been there so long that she’s not even bleeding anymore.
She’s GROSS, man. Grody to the max. When I first saw that page, even the original version, I thought it was an interesting choice because it seemed to de-fetishize the fetishes it presented. To me, it does the same thing the rest of the comic strives to do: it takes trope-ish ideas and deconstructs them until they fall apart completely.
As I said, art is more than its one-line verbal description. If you insist on reducing it to its one-line verbal description, you’re choosing to no longer view art.
Also, I’m not saying it isn’t sexual. Sex is definitely a major part, probably the main part, of what that particular image is presenting. But I don’t see that it has any kind of mainstream sex appeal.
It’s like… if you took Roseanne Barr and dressed her in leather straps and a nun’s habit and a chastity belt, you’d have “a woman in plain BDSM gear that stuffs her cleavage out and leaves a lock hanging from her crotch.” But I don’t think many people would find it sexy. I don’t think many people would find it appealing in any way related to sex. It might be interesting, it might be confusing, it might even just be gross.
There’s a big difference between talking about sex and flatly appealing to “the prurient interest”, as the Miller test puts it. I honestly find it hard to believe that many people were interested in that image pruriently.
It didn’t register to me as fanservice or sexual.
Was a bit of a surprise, but not too unexpected, given the nature of most of the inhabitants of this setting as being pretty far out there in terms of what they consider appropriate to wear and so on.
I was more focused on that she apparently pulled a sword out of her head and was about to attempt a beatdown on one of the most powerful characters in the setting. I thought: “She’s certainly crazy enough to try”
Anyway, on the male gaze shit I’m absolutely certain that sex and innuendo would not have been the first things on Abaddom’s mind. Women in media are subjected to intense hypersexualization, lesbians in particular are rendered objects of voyeurism for male consumption. These pages could have been fine if Abaddon had not jumped immediately to “oh yeah…women having SEX”. Just weird.
I mean… it’s the fifth page of the fourth chapter of the fourth book, the 398th page overall. What’s so sudden about it? They’ve been building towards this since the drinking contest with Princess.
I agree. Very cliche’ / “trendy”. I understand that many writers are pro-LGBTQ, and I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with them inserting it in the medium either. But it is definitely over-done.
“Yeah yeah, another lesbian couple.”
Does it move the story forward, or add to it in a meaningful way? I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
25 horny lesbian is lonely and takes what she can get
Horny Lesbian, I think you are missing the point of the discussion. Lesbians are currently very trendy in comics – both in print and online. Can’t open a comic these days without finding one. Hetero women are obviously too weak to make a good strong female lead.
Apollyon summed up the neccesity of the first scene nicely.
And as I said, we’ll have to wait and see how or if Allison’s tryst figures into the future of the story. Perhaps Zaid will see it as her having cheated on him? Perhaps he’ll be shown as a homophobe? Maybe there’ll be a big happy reunion with Allison, and AlliCio will just be a thing of the past. We’ll see!
Emily Brontë is a woman + she wrote a book = Wuthering Heights must be a romance.
Abbadon is a man + he writes a webcomic with lesbians in it = K6BD must be fetishistic.
Similar logic perhaps? Lets give him a chance before jumping to conclusions. Judge his work on its own merits, not based on its author’s gender. Also, can we not insult each other so much. This is a peaceful land….
And you would never allow them the opportunity to learn to do anything else. Your position seems to be that men are awful by nature, they can never be better, and the only thing to do about it is complain.
I think that we should give Abbadon an opportunity to prove himself. However many wlw are commenting to remind Abbadon to keep it somewhat reigned in. Personally I’m not to worried, but still a little wary, since it could easily turn into fetishism.
Ask yourself, in most straight representation is the second interaction between two characters as a couple that’s shown, is it one asking the other for sex? Don’t know, just food for thought.
Disliking you, spectator, is not the same as disliking all women everywhere. Noting that all you can do is complain is not the same as claiming that all women do is complain. You represent yourself, although it may be useful to you to pretend otherwise.
There is no point in arguing with you about art or literature because you not interested in that. Your sole interest is in power. You represent a totalitarian world view similar to National Socialism and Stalinism. Your objections to Abbadon’s works because of his gender ultimately comes from the Communist dogma that the individual is defined by and non-existent outside of their class background, just as the Nazis claimed that the individual is nothing aside from their place in the “racial community” Both Nazis and Communists would agree, with you, that art is nothing but politics by another name. There is, therefore, no possible common grounds to argue with you about art.
The only thing to be done is to point to your “critiques” as you call them and say; If you help advance the political agenda of people like this, you will give them control over your cultural and personal life. You cannot separate the radical activist from the commissar – or the block warden, or the Red Guard – because they are all the same person. Anyone who values literature and art must necessarily defend them from the slanders of vulgar power-worshipers such as yourself, spectator. What you represent is the reduction of art to agitprop slogans shouted over a loudspeaker, and what you are is the herald of is a new barbarism, a new Dark Age.
(The same thing, it should go without saying, applies to spectator’s opposite numbers on the “alt-right”, the MRA activists, modified only by their considerable stupidity. In general though, the modern day inheritors of the traditions of Lunacharsky and Goebbels, although they are just as malignant as their predecessors, represent in other respects a certain decline. Which we should take some comfort in. )
That interpretation would be consistent with your deluded position that you can serve as an authoritative proxy for all women.
However, my position, as I have clearly stated, is that you do not represent anyone but yourself. My criticism here is of you and you alone, based just on your behavior, and not any other property or group membership.
i mean, spectator, to be fair you literally in another comment thread above implied another lesbian woman is only okay with this rep because she has low standards& is used to being treated badly, so…
that’s a pretty garbage thing to say to a person who is okay with something you’re not. I’m a lesbian myself, and I’m fine with the page, because it’s the culmination of an absolutely insane sexual tension–plus, they’ve been shacked up for a year, so this is……MOST LIKELY not the first time they’ve had sex?
hell, my fiancee will just straight up be like “hey, wanna fuck?” so, like, it’s…definitely a thing that happens
Masked, that is certainly true most of the time for this comic which is why I usually do read them. The comments ever since this chapter started, though, have been mostly a disaster. I’m becoming concerned by the trend downward towards the standard internet comments.
damn this is nuts she really going to have casual sex with the devil girl she made out with in the last book as a woman who felt compelled to have sex with a man just to be normal at the beginning of the comic and has been going through a process of self discovery and intense training of her powers with said devil girl who has commitment issues and offered to have casual sex with her at the end of the last book. shit is wild. If you’re a man reading this you also suck
25 horny lesbian is lonely and takes what she can get
Fuck, what’s gonna be next folks, shall we get offended for the oppressed masses–in all their myriad shapes and types and forms and kinks–as they yearn to be recognized and given the respect they are due as FICTIONAL PIECES WITHIN A BROADER WORKER OF FICTION?
If you prick them, do they not bleed, if you hurl invectives at them, do they not shudder and cringe?
I mean, the time our home-slice Abbadon has invested into bringing this cosmos to life makes me think perhaps if you stabbed a print version it might begin bleeding ink, but that is no more of a stretch than the idea that the two flirty pieces of his story on this page are being slighted in some way.
I get reflexive defense of those powerless to prevent being objectified, but when you’re trying to defend an actual object… you went too far.
Please take the effort to be a smidgen more respectful.
To who, exactly?
Abbadon has probably noticed me lurking around here for the last half a decade and knows I love him and the things he do.
So if not him then am I supposed to be more respectful to the folks I was saying should knock off the “let’s get offended for these poor gay demons and godlings so we can talk shit about male gaze though we kinda forgot the beefcake Solomon from a chapter or so back heh, whoops” nonsense?
Nuh-uh, nope, fresh out of all that, maybe after they settle up and admit they overreacted we can look into it.
men cannot be objectified or fetishized in a patriarchal society, please get a grip.
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Again: why does it make sense to slot these interactions into the “lesbianism” folder when one half of the interaction is sleek, spiny, verging on fully insectoid, and only pretending to be a cute little woman?
Yeah, Cio had her lesbian-turn-on buttons pressed by Allison, but the things I find appealing about Cio aren’t the same things I find appealing about women generally.
You have to be joking, no one actually believes this shit, do they?
“let’s get offended for these poor gay demons and godlings so we can talk shit about male gaze though we kinda forgot the beefcake Solomon from a chapter or so back heh, whoops”
If you’re going to compare men being shirtless to women being objectified you’ve already lost.
One can only say this is an excellent story with delicious artistry and characters.
Same here, this scene seems misplace in the time line.
damn i wish for a world where discussion like this are obsolete because homosexual relationships are as normal as heterosexual are.
btw i love this comic to bits and chio is my favorite character
Yeah I just don’t get why it’s an issue, if I hadn’t scrolled to the comments I wouldn’t have known that it was.. weird
Homosexual relationships ARE as normal as heterosexual relationships (even though not everyone condones them). To me, it seems the debate is rather about the way it was presented. Some seem to feel it is “pandering” to the masses or “fetishistic” – which if you’ve read the comments from the last 6 years, the masses have been clamoring for exactly what Abbadon has finally given to us.
Some folks seem to think it is “inappropriate”(?) or maybe “insensitive”(?) for a non-gay writer to portray gay characters in this way.
Personally, I think this is where the story has been heading for years now. It is what it is.
And so begins the endless complaining. The endless, endless complaining.
It is such a drag to listen to gay women speak! Alas!
Get over yourself, really.
This isn’t about you being a gay women. Nobody here cares about whats between your legs and what you munch on. Its about you being so close minded you think a man isn’t allowed to write a lesbian relationship. Its also about you making a bunch of early assumptions about the story even though nothing has really happened yet.
Get over yourself, really.
It’s a drag when the only speaking you do is to complain.
Yet again, progressives prove themselves to be the least progressive people in the room as they dictate who is allowed to write what, based on what is between their legs.
I’m genuinely saddened to see this much bullshit in the comments section over something I didn’t even register as remotely contentious.
Stop making enemies where there are none.
If we were only able to write stories about things about people, things and scenarios that are relevant to us as people, we’d have a fucking abysmally boring collection of books about people driving to work and bing watching netflix.
You don’t have to be a lesibian to write about a lesbian relationship, if you think that’s a pre requisite for the job, I’d argue you don’t understand what fiction is to begin with.
Get off your high horse.
Literally the first page of the comic is a depiction of “not-sure-sex” and you guys are bitching about “lez-demon-sex”? Gimme a break guys
That derailed my train of thought. Two major reveals in a single page. The creation one is the more significant, especially since that’s a plum and plums figure in a lot of the history/mythology of this world.
This discussion board is quite entertaining. I’ll just see how this pays out…
Nice plum.
♥ “A girl was lost in a garden, and she was hungry.
The girl played in her garden, and she was hungry.
She was too small to find the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
The girl found the fruit, and she was hungry,
But she was too small to reach the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
The girl plucked the fruit, and she was hungry,
But she was too small to bite the fruit,
So she grew bigger and more cunning.
And so she ate.
She was strong enough to take it,
And clever enough to find it.
Weep for the fruit, for it was was chased by a girl.
Weep for the fruit, for it is dead.
Weep for the tree, for it lost a child.
Weep for the garden, for it witnessed this.
Weep for the fruit, the tree and the garden,
For years they lived in fear of a girl.
She will be hungry again.”
Twentythird student of Bagoret – FBC 040
And so begins the endless, endless complaining…of women being worried about fetishism in a comic they enjoy.
We just can’t win.
You’ve been doing mostly nothing but snapping back against the people replying to you, so yea, I wouldn’t say you’re doing much to make people here reconsider.
What do you call your own responses, lol.
I’m not the one arguing with everyone how Abbadon is hugely problematic just for being a dude depicting a lesbian relationship.
I am stating my critique. Deal with it.
We’d all rather not. You’re extremely tiresome and your only purpose here is to get a rise out of people.
tfw u believe u speak for all women who read this comic tho (seriously, pal???)
Somebody check my math: a plum weighs ~2.3 oz, or 0.1437 lbs. 1 cubic foot of air weighs 0.0807 lbs. So assuming a straight mass to mass conversion, creating that plum used up ~1.78 cubic feet of air.
Now this was unexpected
It’s a bit early to declare this romance as poorly written. This was obviously written as a surprise reveal.
Would not surprise me if later flashbacks show that they’ve been shacking up for weeks by this point- their manner sounds more like a not-quite-committed couple than this being the start of the relationship.
I don’t understand why people find it unexpected or surprising. Allison asked Cio out on a date a year ago, back at Yre. I mean the entire story of Yre was about Allison and Cio trying to push each other away, then ultimately coming back together.
So… a lot of people in the comments seem to think this relationship came out of nowhere. That it wasn’t built up over time. These people are incorrect. They are of course welcome to their opinions on whether or not it was built well, but it was built.
There is a lot of evidence for this, but most of it can be summed up by this page: https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/seeker-of-thrones-9-114/
The book Allison is holding is Cio’s fanfiction. Cio threw the book away when she agreed to help Allison rob Yre. Allison kept it. That’s so straightforward it’s almost a trope: Allison loves Cio, at the very least as a friend. And Cio’s love for Allison was made obvious when she agreed to help Allison rob Yre. (It was obvious before that, but that’s probably the most concrete example.)
At Yre, Allison and Cio fell out because Allison put her quest over Cio’s desire to escape her old ways. This falling out culminated in the events of the linked page. Again, this is so straightforward it’s almost a trope: after trying to deny their feelings for each other, and realizing just how awful things are without each other, they both finally open up to each other.
Allison isn’t straight, as was made pretty clear in the first few pages, when she showed absolutely zero desire to have sex with her boyfriend. Allison being the self-repressive basket case she is, she never admitted even to herself that she might be queer. Her moment with Cio at Yre finally cracked that wall. Allison tried a few times to patch the wall back together (see previous statement, re: basketcase), but as they left Yre, Allison finally let herself feel what she was feeling, and asked Cio out on a date.
This relationship has been built, brick by brick, over the course of almost this entire comic. This comic has a lot going on, so it’s entirely possible to miss stuff like that. Heck, I certainly missed it my first readthrough. But it’s absolutely there.
when people are talking about “the 00001 splash page”, do they mean page which had the highest ranking servant of Mammon, who had that silly outfit consisting mostly of straps ?
Yes. Consider that that is her EDITED to be, quoting Abaddon, “less horny”. The previous outfit was even worse. Honestly the current panel isn’t that much better.
Oh, I looked it up, Seeker of Thrones 10-126, right ? P.sure the version I saw before had more visible skin/fewer straps.
Yes, she was practically in underwear + a chastity belt. I don’t think Abaddon is aware that a chastity belt isn’t exactly something women put on themselves, it’s something a man would put on a woman to prevent their autonomy.
Like I am pretty sure he saw Fury Road and the dramatic scene where the first thing the “wives” do is break out of them…
I was under the impression that chastity belts were a far more recent invention than most people think. there’s a perception of things like, the knights on crusade would lock up their wives until their return, but there’s zero evidence, and it’s a fairly modern myth.
Some women apparently did wear such devices in like, the 16th-19th centuries, as protection from bandits while travelling, or working women using them as protection from employers. Or even as a political statement, such as some women who were in positions of influence – the king’s mother and so on.
In any case, prior to the invention of modern metallurgy, and the whole thing with the bdsm culture, there’s not a great deal of evidence of men controlling women with such things.
but that’s just a tangent.
Wait, people viewed that as some kind of fanservice? No accounting for taste, I guess.
Viewing a woman in BDSM nun gear as fanservice isn’t exactly stretching.
Art is more than its one-line verbal description. To me, she looks like what a self-flagellating woman who walks around all day wrapped in leather straps would actually look like: grimy, even grotesque. I can practically smell her. She’s got gaping wounds in her arms. She’s got nails hammered into her flesh, all over her body, and they’ve been there so long that she’s not even bleeding anymore.
She’s GROSS, man. Grody to the max. When I first saw that page, even the original version, I thought it was an interesting choice because it seemed to de-fetishize the fetishes it presented. To me, it does the same thing the rest of the comic strives to do: it takes trope-ish ideas and deconstructs them until they fall apart completely.
Well…that’s certainly one way to interpret a woman in BDSM gear.
That’s…certainly one way to view a woman in plain BDSM gear that stuffs her cleavage out and leaves a lock hanging from her crotch.
As I said, art is more than its one-line verbal description. If you insist on reducing it to its one-line verbal description, you’re choosing to no longer view art.
Come on. I am not going to view probably the worst panel in this comic as “art” because somehow you don’t think it was sexual.
I’m not telling you that you have to view it as art. I just don’t think anyone needs you casting aspersions on those who do.
Also, I’m not saying it isn’t sexual. Sex is definitely a major part, probably the main part, of what that particular image is presenting. But I don’t see that it has any kind of mainstream sex appeal.
It’s like… if you took Roseanne Barr and dressed her in leather straps and a nun’s habit and a chastity belt, you’d have “a woman in plain BDSM gear that stuffs her cleavage out and leaves a lock hanging from her crotch.” But I don’t think many people would find it sexy. I don’t think many people would find it appealing in any way related to sex. It might be interesting, it might be confusing, it might even just be gross.
There’s a big difference between talking about sex and flatly appealing to “the prurient interest”, as the Miller test puts it. I honestly find it hard to believe that many people were interested in that image pruriently.
It didn’t register to me as fanservice or sexual.
Was a bit of a surprise, but not too unexpected, given the nature of most of the inhabitants of this setting as being pretty far out there in terms of what they consider appropriate to wear and so on.
I was more focused on that she apparently pulled a sword out of her head and was about to attempt a beatdown on one of the most powerful characters in the setting. I thought: “She’s certainly crazy enough to try”
Yes. It was very controversial at the time due to the perception that it was BDSM fanservice.
This is good, and wholesome, and approved by the Church of Pie. (43rd most popular religion in Throne.)
Anyway, on the male gaze shit I’m absolutely certain that sex and innuendo would not have been the first things on Abaddom’s mind. Women in media are subjected to intense hypersexualization, lesbians in particular are rendered objects of voyeurism for male consumption. These pages could have been fine if Abaddon had not jumped immediately to “oh yeah…women having SEX”. Just weird.
*would not have been the first thing on abaddon’ mond if it was two gay men
I mean… it’s the fifth page of the fourth chapter of the fourth book, the 398th page overall. What’s so sudden about it? They’ve been building towards this since the drinking contest with Princess.
Hmmm… I’m disappointed. It seems that nearly every strong female protagonist these days HAS to be a lesbian or at least bi… Oh well.
I agree. Very cliche’ / “trendy”. I understand that many writers are pro-LGBTQ, and I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with them inserting it in the medium either. But it is definitely over-done.
“Yeah yeah, another lesbian couple.”
Does it move the story forward, or add to it in a meaningful way? I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
literally the first scene in the comic is Allison being socially compelled into sex with a man doesn’t add to the story or move it forward my ass
Allison wouldn’t have gone back into Hell if she wasn’t with Zaid at the moment and didn’t care for him, so it was a somewhat necessary.
Horny Lesbian, I think you are missing the point of the discussion. Lesbians are currently very trendy in comics – both in print and online. Can’t open a comic these days without finding one. Hetero women are obviously too weak to make a good strong female lead.
Apollyon summed up the neccesity of the first scene nicely.
And as I said, we’ll have to wait and see how or if Allison’s tryst figures into the future of the story. Perhaps Zaid will see it as her having cheated on him? Perhaps he’ll be shown as a homophobe? Maybe there’ll be a big happy reunion with Allison, and AlliCio will just be a thing of the past. We’ll see!
Cry me a river, dude.
*sees your name “Holy Shit”
Troll elsewhere, “dude”.
Have you considered that lesbians might be “trendy” in comics because queer women are one of the fastest growing comic reading demographic
Considering the growth of the female comic reading demographic in general, it stands to reason that the lesbian female demographic is also growing.
Still seems disproportionate vs the overall reader demographics (comics being typically the venue of young males).
you sound like the kind of guy who refers to himself as a “gentleman” on his tinder profile
You would be wrong. I’m old enough that I don’t have, or need, a Tinder account.
Emily Brontë is a woman + she wrote a book = Wuthering Heights must be a romance.
Abbadon is a man + he writes a webcomic with lesbians in it = K6BD must be fetishistic.
Similar logic perhaps? Lets give him a chance before jumping to conclusions. Judge his work on its own merits, not based on its author’s gender. Also, can we not insult each other so much. This is a peaceful land….
Unfortunately, we live in a world where men perpetuate so much misogyny in the works they create. It’s hard to ignore.
And you would never allow them the opportunity to learn to do anything else. Your position seems to be that men are awful by nature, they can never be better, and the only thing to do about it is complain.
I think that we should give Abbadon an opportunity to prove himself. However many wlw are commenting to remind Abbadon to keep it somewhat reigned in. Personally I’m not to worried, but still a little wary, since it could easily turn into fetishism.
Ask yourself, in most straight representation is the second interaction between two characters as a couple that’s shown, is it one asking the other for sex? Don’t know, just food for thought.
You seem to be quick to jump to women only being able to complain. Interesting!
Disliking you, spectator, is not the same as disliking all women everywhere. Noting that all you can do is complain is not the same as claiming that all women do is complain. You represent yourself, although it may be useful to you to pretend otherwise.
There is no point in arguing with you about art or literature because you not interested in that. Your sole interest is in power. You represent a totalitarian world view similar to National Socialism and Stalinism. Your objections to Abbadon’s works because of his gender ultimately comes from the Communist dogma that the individual is defined by and non-existent outside of their class background, just as the Nazis claimed that the individual is nothing aside from their place in the “racial community” Both Nazis and Communists would agree, with you, that art is nothing but politics by another name. There is, therefore, no possible common grounds to argue with you about art.
The only thing to be done is to point to your “critiques” as you call them and say; If you help advance the political agenda of people like this, you will give them control over your cultural and personal life. You cannot separate the radical activist from the commissar – or the block warden, or the Red Guard – because they are all the same person. Anyone who values literature and art must necessarily defend them from the slanders of vulgar power-worshipers such as yourself, spectator. What you represent is the reduction of art to agitprop slogans shouted over a loudspeaker, and what you are is the herald of is a new barbarism, a new Dark Age.
(The same thing, it should go without saying, applies to spectator’s opposite numbers on the “alt-right”, the MRA activists, modified only by their considerable stupidity. In general though, the modern day inheritors of the traditions of Lunacharsky and Goebbels, although they are just as malignant as their predecessors, represent in other respects a certain decline. Which we should take some comfort in. )
God, you are just the worst aren’t you ? This isn’t about you. Or about you being a woman. Nor do you speak for all women or lesbians.
Its almost like all you’ve been doing is complaining and offering nothing of value. Nobody here hates women, they just hate you.
That interpretation would be consistent with your deluded position that you can serve as an authoritative proxy for all women.
However, my position, as I have clearly stated, is that you do not represent anyone but yourself. My criticism here is of you and you alone, based just on your behavior, and not any other property or group membership.
i mean, spectator, to be fair you literally in another comment thread above implied another lesbian woman is only okay with this rep because she has low standards& is used to being treated badly, so…
that’s a pretty garbage thing to say to a person who is okay with something you’re not. I’m a lesbian myself, and I’m fine with the page, because it’s the culmination of an absolutely insane sexual tension–plus, they’ve been shacked up for a year, so this is……MOST LIKELY not the first time they’ve had sex?
hell, my fiancee will just straight up be like “hey, wanna fuck?” so, like, it’s…definitely a thing that happens
Someday I’ll learn to obey the greatest instruction, “Never read the comments.”
So sad, because these are usually some of the greatest comments on all the internet. (a low bar to be sure but not insignificant.)
Masked, that is certainly true most of the time for this comic which is why I usually do read them. The comments ever since this chapter started, though, have been mostly a disaster. I’m becoming concerned by the trend downward towards the standard internet comments.
i am gay and i love this thank you
Same.
Plums absolutely can and do go crunch. It just depends on the plum.
Goddamnit i was just about to choose that name.
What need does a devil have, for subtlety?
it allows them to get close enough to stab someone in the back ?
damn this is nuts she really going to have casual sex with the devil girl she made out with in the last book as a woman who felt compelled to have sex with a man just to be normal at the beginning of the comic and has been going through a process of self discovery and intense training of her powers with said devil girl who has commitment issues and offered to have casual sex with her at the end of the last book. shit is wild. If you’re a man reading this you also suck
me: women and especially lesbians are frequently hypersexualized when represented at all by their male creators
also me: Ab show me devil pussy
Same girl same
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