Y’know what? I’m not even mad that I was wrong. I really thought White Chain was trying to throw the match to get the other angels off their chest, but this character development is also welcome.
Sorry you feel that way, but I must say it’s not a very constructive sentiment. Try to be more concise with your feelings if you want others to comment on them properly. For example; Personally, I feel as the comic’s emotional depth and establishment of risks have improved tremendously, and even with the universe’s fate in the balance it is still relevant on a human level, and therefore possible relate to. Why would you disagree with such a sentiment, or in what ways does the comic’s progression upset you?
That’s a personal question we must all ask. For instance me telling you this is worth it, same for the guy you’re replying to. Sure it may not change anything, but it’s still nice to voice one’s opinion.
I mean, most of the comments are equally non constructive – they’re just positive, and therefore unremarked upon by fans. Personally, I think it can be valuable. Negative responses serve a purpose to the author and can encourage re-evaluation of the choices being made. I’d say in that sense that unexplained positive accolades are in fact more meaningless and damaging, and fans shouting down dissenters (as some are doing below) contributes only to a warm bedding of ego and insulation from critique.
Either way, I as a fan am kinda bummed too. As much as White Chain thinks Allison is full of herself, I’d say she’s way more aware of her flaws than WC is. Between the two of ’em, I think WC is definitely more in need of some humbling.
All opinions are welcome here in the glyphosphere. After all, we pursue the truth of the divine lie, though sometimes it may grate against our better sentiments.
These last two pages really let me down to honest. The story looked like it was going in a great direction,,, now this.
What did this even accomplish? They came here to to win the tournament.
WC stood in the way of that…and for what?
What. Did. This. Accomplish.
Character Development?
WC needs to resolve her blackrom flirtation with Thorns : it is pitting her loyalty to her kind against her loyalty to a friend.
Allicio needs to realize that grasping for power is a piss-poor replacement for finding one’s place in the universe.
As for winning the tournament… do you really think Allicio could face The Salami and survive?
Did you lose track of how this is all a big honey-pot trap in all the excitement?
Looks to me like WC feels ashamed of the Thorny outburst.
That’s quite a lot for a stone-arse.
And Allison has been trying to acquire power, catch as catch can, for the purpose of not getting pushed around. And that path is pretty much the same as every other power-hungry asshole’s. Because there’s always one more bully, and the ends justify the means, and before you notice, the bully is you.
As it stands we have the shattering of trust between two allies, a major plot setback that invalidates essentially the entire current chapter, and a major character _regression_ on WC’s part. The only character development so far is Alice learning to think before leaping in… and that could have been had without this betrayal by WC.
And I’d consider it a rather strange reaction on either of their part if they came away from this with any sense of self recrimination at all. The natural response would be double down on blaming the other person and let it turn into bitter hatred.
42 Forgotten Justice Returns with Humility and Determination
The arc is not yet over, dear Dragoon. Forget not the other angel present, and what insights they might hold. For though there are Thorns, this one seems to be of a different order, one that has kept to itself.
True.
It never fails to baffle this one when persons complain of failed arcs while the arc is still rising. This one suspects that we are only now reaching the apex – or nadir – of this arc. Only the unobservant or impatient measure a line before it is complete.
Invalidates the chapter?
They knew it was a trap.
And they adapted their entry into the trap to be a distraction to allow them to steal the honeypot.
Then they essentially fucked up by getting drunk on power, beginning to believe their own bluff.
Right now I think we can consider everyone EXTREMELY distracted.
And this here : WC friggin bluffed! And Allison reminded WC that she is not in fact a killer, even for “duty”.
Their fight actually gives them a way to walk away from the tournament without Salami immediately going “Something is WRONG, check on the hostage!”
Even steel breaks like glass if it is not tempered. The hardest sword, the sharpest sword, is far from the best, for it is the most fragile. Therefore one must never lose their temper, for even though they cut best without it they won’t last long or serve their wielder well.
It seems that white chain has burned too hot, and ill-quenched their anger. They would do well to control their temper too.
Speaking of that–I distinctly remember Cio having clothes before she de-masked herself. Where did those go? And why haven’t they reappeared now that she’s removed from Allison?
for real though, who is abbadon trying to placate when censoring these things? there aren’t any ads on this site and its an ultraviolent webcomic. showing some titty when it makes sense to might ruffle some feathers, but who cares about people that prudish?
42 Fragments the Universe Beyond All Reintegration
Boring answer: Cio’s clothes are where she left them, in the spot where her previous body dissolved. They are real clothes, not generated by her mask and soul.
Meta answer: White Chain may be shown naked because she’s gendered but sexless. Cio may be shown naked because she’s humanoid but not human. But Alison may not be shown fully naked (not draped inventively by her own hair) without offending readers.
Mischievous answer: if the party now has to split up and flee, Cio escaping Rayuba naked and penniless might make an interesting story.
Yeah Alison’s clothes looked wrecked during the transformation, and not only that on this page the clothes that were generated by their de-transformation are shown actually being cast off and falling away, only putting more weight behind the view that these physical objects are affected by this transformation. (and somehow generated by them, that would be neat, are those now all artifacts of Alicio’s birth?)
From a storytelling and imagery view, the naked human standing (or submitting and crawling) before the enraged angel would also further the feeling of the power disparity between them (Though I feel like Alison’s gonna strike back in a second, mostly because her face is hidden) and create a more powerful image. I hope the nudity wasn’t avoided because it might cause offense, the violence/sexuality disparity (where it’s okay to see our protag impaled and bloodied, but not naked) always bums me out. I can get not being sexually explicit, that’s a personal taste and creative choice, but there shouldn’t be anything offensive or provocative about a naked body in the proper context, particularly not in a work like this, which is clearly not for children.
Devils are tough; she will be OK physically. Her mask is undamaged, so her soul can rebuild her body.
How her mind will come out of this remains to be seen. Last time she was struck unconscious she came back … not quite herself for a while. I do hope she’s not going to do something she regrets.
Actually, I didn’t notice Cio lying on the ground in the background of the last two panels until this morning.
That said, yeah, there is concern whether she’ll go full Yabalchoath. Though I guess it depends on her mental state right before she goes unconscous or she’d go full Yabalchoath every time she sleeps, trances, or whatever devils do in a resting state, if they have one.
Us thinks 10 Likes to Watch / 25 Rusty Bucket (still not sure of that’n, but may lean towards it being the Observant Dogger) might berate Stonyarse for bein a proxy Thorn, and for attacking Allicio (as a human Allison could be consider’d a work of God (Aesma’s working of the Warm Black flame) to be ‘preserved and glorified’). He did, albeit feeblewise, try to stop White Chain from attacking Allicio after all. Before sittin down and watchin.
Just how he, or other happenins, come to change White Chain’s current stance’ll be most enthrallsome.
Indeed. He also made quite the accusation, that White Chain “blasphemes against it/them.” Whether it really is Rusty Vengeful, or Daddy Zoss borrowing his armor(not unlikely, Dad has been shown in what looks like another suit of angel armor), I hope that after this, they bestow upon White Chain a savage and painful beating. I just can’t be okay with how this has unfolded and she shouldn’t get away with basically sucker-punching God 2.0 and betraying someone who thought White Chain was a friend.
I will say this, Abaddon has done a great job in writing WC in such a way that now I completely despise her.
dang, i figured i was being super optimistic on the last page but i didn’t think it’d be this bad.
…is that shame on white chain’s countenance? if so, there’s probably hope for her yet… course if there was no hope for her at all she’d likely have simply killed allison and absconded with the key somewhere between panels 3 and 6.
Gotta say, I was hoping Allison and Cio would have surpassed Whitechain. Then went to win against the last angel to show that united as human and demon they were stronger then angels. But still nothing compaired to a Demiurge who likely has killed dozens of human/ demon combo’s. But hey, cant get everything, just hope Whitechain learns something from this.
“It looked like you were going to kill me,” says she who undoubtedly just got done killing others who didn’t have to die and could’ve functionally killed her own master. She’s lucky she knows her master will listen to her plea.
Did you not see those large groups of people sitting on the lower floor who she ringed out? Her knocking all those people out of running so rapidly by taking out the pillars they were on probably significantly reduced the number of deaths given the murder fest that was going on.
Victory of the Thorns
One has to wonder if this is how David’s perverted tourneys always end. An angel kicks everyone’s ass… and then Dave ends the angel.
Too predictable. Who comes to gladiatorial battles for the predictable?
Dave, for one.
Yeah, def. not digging that red spiky textbox, and the three stars on White Chain’s brow turning into three jagged spikes.
Here’s hoping we see a little more Wisdom and Restraint here.
Drawing blood thoughtlessly
The stem may even grow a thorn
Unguarded even the cold white flame
May burn dangerously hot
When they first release from their shell, those same stars are just as long
“The green reed which bends in the wind is stronger than the mighty oak which breaks in a storm.”
-Confucius
I ask of you, fellow pilgrims. Is there not a demiurge here? And does she not stand tall in victory over Royalty?
Aye, the squire speaks true. A shackle of stagnation and rot upon the wheel, masquerading as law and peace.
All law is violently enforced.
“Sovereign statehood is defined as a monopoly on the use of force.”
Except for laws of nature, presumably. Those simply are. Except they’re not laws, not really.
Now comes regret.
This is going to require some talking out.
If only all creatures possessed a silver tongue and honeyed voice, perhaps we’d welcome each day with a little less dread.
Y’know what? I’m not even mad that I was wrong. I really thought White Chain was trying to throw the match to get the other angels off their chest, but this character development is also welcome.
It just keeps getting dumber
Sorry you feel that way, but I must say it’s not a very constructive sentiment. Try to be more concise with your feelings if you want others to comment on them properly. For example; Personally, I feel as the comic’s emotional depth and establishment of risks have improved tremendously, and even with the universe’s fate in the balance it is still relevant on a human level, and therefore possible relate to. Why would you disagree with such a sentiment, or in what ways does the comic’s progression upset you?
It seems to me that spending a lot of words in response to an entry so trite is wasteful.
Did it warrant a response at all?
That’s a personal question we must all ask. For instance me telling you this is worth it, same for the guy you’re replying to. Sure it may not change anything, but it’s still nice to voice one’s opinion.
Speaking up always makes you a voice for the voiceless. Do not hesitate.
“We do not rebut fools for their benefit, but for the benefit of the observer.”
I mean, most of the comments are equally non constructive – they’re just positive, and therefore unremarked upon by fans. Personally, I think it can be valuable. Negative responses serve a purpose to the author and can encourage re-evaluation of the choices being made. I’d say in that sense that unexplained positive accolades are in fact more meaningless and damaging, and fans shouting down dissenters (as some are doing below) contributes only to a warm bedding of ego and insulation from critique.
Either way, I as a fan am kinda bummed too. As much as White Chain thinks Allison is full of herself, I’d say she’s way more aware of her flaws than WC is. Between the two of ’em, I think WC is definitely more in need of some humbling.
True. Helpful. Inspiring. Necessary. Kind.
IMO a comment should have at least two of those. Which means that positive comments have a lower entry barrier than negative ones.
In what way?
BOOOOO you’re not needed here go away!
All opinions are welcome here in the glyphosphere. After all, we pursue the truth of the divine lie, though sometimes it may grate against our better sentiments.
Yeah not liking WC very much right now, she’s nothing but a damn bully really.
White Chain really didn’t change, she was always a bully.
These last two pages really let me down to honest. The story looked like it was going in a great direction,,, now this.
What did this even accomplish? They came here to to win the tournament.
WC stood in the way of that…and for what?
What. Did. This. Accomplish.
Character Development?
WC needs to resolve her blackrom flirtation with Thorns : it is pitting her loyalty to her kind against her loyalty to a friend.
Allicio needs to realize that grasping for power is a piss-poor replacement for finding one’s place in the universe.
As for winning the tournament… do you really think Allicio could face The Salami and survive?
Did you lose track of how this is all a big honey-pot trap in all the excitement?
“WC needs to resolve” “Allicio needs to realize”
Yeah, but they haven’t. For it to count as character development it needs to have happened… past tense.
Also, I really don’t think Alice has been trying to acquire power for power’s sake.
Looks to me like WC feels ashamed of the Thorny outburst.
That’s quite a lot for a stone-arse.
And Allison has been trying to acquire power, catch as catch can, for the purpose of not getting pushed around. And that path is pretty much the same as every other power-hungry asshole’s. Because there’s always one more bully, and the ends justify the means, and before you notice, the bully is you.
I have to agree with you there: if you remove WC’s bluff, you get a powerful moment of clarity after Alicio uses that friggin’ nuke on her friend
Character development. Allison and WC both realizing they might have gotten a little bit carried away.
That remains to be seen.
As it stands we have the shattering of trust between two allies, a major plot setback that invalidates essentially the entire current chapter, and a major character _regression_ on WC’s part. The only character development so far is Alice learning to think before leaping in… and that could have been had without this betrayal by WC.
And I’d consider it a rather strange reaction on either of their part if they came away from this with any sense of self recrimination at all. The natural response would be double down on blaming the other person and let it turn into bitter hatred.
The arc is not yet over, dear Dragoon. Forget not the other angel present, and what insights they might hold. For though there are Thorns, this one seems to be of a different order, one that has kept to itself.
True.
It never fails to baffle this one when persons complain of failed arcs while the arc is still rising. This one suspects that we are only now reaching the apex – or nadir – of this arc. Only the unobservant or impatient measure a line before it is complete.
This one eagerly awaits the next developments.
Invalidates the chapter?
They knew it was a trap.
And they adapted their entry into the trap to be a distraction to allow them to steal the honeypot.
Then they essentially fucked up by getting drunk on power, beginning to believe their own bluff.
Right now I think we can consider everyone EXTREMELY distracted.
And this here : WC friggin bluffed! And Allison reminded WC that she is not in fact a killer, even for “duty”.
Their fight actually gives them a way to walk away from the tournament without Salami immediately going “Something is WRONG, check on the hostage!”
Even steel breaks like glass if it is not tempered. The hardest sword, the sharpest sword, is far from the best, for it is the most fragile. Therefore one must never lose their temper, for even though they cut best without it they won’t last long or serve their wielder well.
It seems that white chain has burned too hot, and ill-quenched their anger. They would do well to control their temper too.
Also, holy fuck, is Cio ok!? It looks like she might have been wounded by that unsubtle dismounting.
Based on the expression on her face when she hit the ground, it looks like she’ll recover.
Speaking of that–I distinctly remember Cio having clothes before she de-masked herself. Where did those go? And why haven’t they reappeared now that she’s removed from Allison?
Does it matter? The audience paid for a good show and it seems they got a very good one. And they got a very impressive victor.
and Allison’s clothes also kind of exploded in shreds off her when she put Cio on (page 104?)
So Allison should also be nude ? EVERYONE should be NUDE ! Devils, angels, humans, nudity everywhere ! \o/
I like Your enthusiasm. Tho it seems only Allison’s boots and kimono/jacket was shredded to make place for extra arms.
for real though, who is abbadon trying to placate when censoring these things? there aren’t any ads on this site and its an ultraviolent webcomic. showing some titty when it makes sense to might ruffle some feathers, but who cares about people that prudish?
Boring answer: Cio’s clothes are where she left them, in the spot where her previous body dissolved. They are real clothes, not generated by her mask and soul.
Meta answer: White Chain may be shown naked because she’s gendered but sexless. Cio may be shown naked because she’s humanoid but not human. But Alison may not be shown fully naked (not draped inventively by her own hair) without offending readers.
Mischievous answer: if the party now has to split up and flee, Cio escaping Rayuba naked and penniless might make an interesting story.
I’m with Annelise on this one, I think the mechanics of this all should mean everyone, Allison as well, should be nude now.
I always found fusions whereby the clothes are involved pretty silly. A person is not their clothes!
Yeah Alison’s clothes looked wrecked during the transformation, and not only that on this page the clothes that were generated by their de-transformation are shown actually being cast off and falling away, only putting more weight behind the view that these physical objects are affected by this transformation. (and somehow generated by them, that would be neat, are those now all artifacts of Alicio’s birth?)
From a storytelling and imagery view, the naked human standing (or submitting and crawling) before the enraged angel would also further the feeling of the power disparity between them (Though I feel like Alison’s gonna strike back in a second, mostly because her face is hidden) and create a more powerful image. I hope the nudity wasn’t avoided because it might cause offense, the violence/sexuality disparity (where it’s okay to see our protag impaled and bloodied, but not naked) always bums me out. I can get not being sexually explicit, that’s a personal taste and creative choice, but there shouldn’t be anything offensive or provocative about a naked body in the proper context, particularly not in a work like this, which is clearly not for children.
Still looks pretty painful and quite jarring at the same time.
She’s just vibin’
Devils are tough; she will be OK physically. Her mask is undamaged, so her soul can rebuild her body.
How her mind will come out of this remains to be seen. Last time she was struck unconscious she came back … not quite herself for a while. I do hope she’s not going to do something she regrets.
She doesn’t appear unconscious though, or at least we don’t see her being unconscious.
The sudden disconnection is likely going to be pretty disorienting for a min or two though.
Actually, I didn’t notice Cio lying on the ground in the background of the last two panels until this morning.
That said, yeah, there is concern whether she’ll go full Yabalchoath. Though I guess it depends on her mental state right before she goes unconscous or she’d go full Yabalchoath every time she sleeps, trances, or whatever devils do in a resting state, if they have one.
Hope we find out what that other angel had to say now.
Us thinks 10 Likes to Watch / 25 Rusty Bucket (still not sure of that’n, but may lean towards it being the Observant Dogger) might berate Stonyarse for bein a proxy Thorn, and for attacking Allicio (as a human Allison could be consider’d a work of God (Aesma’s working of the Warm Black flame) to be ‘preserved and glorified’). He did, albeit feeblewise, try to stop White Chain from attacking Allicio after all. Before sittin down and watchin.
Just how he, or other happenins, come to change White Chain’s current stance’ll be most enthrallsome.
Indeed. He also made quite the accusation, that White Chain “blasphemes against it/them.” Whether it really is Rusty Vengeful, or Daddy Zoss borrowing his armor(not unlikely, Dad has been shown in what looks like another suit of angel armor), I hope that after this, they bestow upon White Chain a savage and painful beating. I just can’t be okay with how this has unfolded and she shouldn’t get away with basically sucker-punching God 2.0 and betraying someone who thought White Chain was a friend.
I will say this, Abaddon has done a great job in writing WC in such a way that now I completely despise her.
Aye, been waitin’ a while to see what he has to say. Perhaps the blasphemy he’d accused White Chain of has just been proven true.
It just keeps getting better
dang, i figured i was being super optimistic on the last page but i didn’t think it’d be this bad.
…is that shame on white chain’s countenance? if so, there’s probably hope for her yet… course if there was no hope for her at all she’d likely have simply killed allison and absconded with the key somewhere between panels 3 and 6.
OHOHOHOHOhoooooo!
What a delicious twist!
The path of thorns is not one befitting of our dearest White Chain.
Terror and heartache–but I repeat myself.
Gotta say, I was hoping Allison and Cio would have surpassed Whitechain. Then went to win against the last angel to show that united as human and demon they were stronger then angels. But still nothing compaired to a Demiurge who likely has killed dozens of human/ demon combo’s. But hey, cant get everything, just hope Whitechain learns something from this.
this in film or series would be so good and relevant in so many ways … aaah Abbadon is really great
do these count as nudes?
THESE HANDS OF MINE ARE BURNING RED
THEIR LOUD ROAR TELLS ME TO GRASP VICTORY
ERUPTING
BURNING
FINGER
LOOK! THE EAST IS BURNING RED!
STAR FINGAAAAA
Finally! An answer! Angels DO have navels. If there’s an umbilicus, there has to be a navel, or at least one soon after cutting that cord.
Next, Boss, maybe you could do some exploration on the topic of group dancing on a pin?
As many as they want, but the pin may not last very long.
“It looked like you were going to kill me,” says she who undoubtedly just got done killing others who didn’t have to die and could’ve functionally killed her own master. She’s lucky she knows her master will listen to her plea.
Did you not see those large groups of people sitting on the lower floor who she ringed out? Her knocking all those people out of running so rapidly by taking out the pillars they were on probably significantly reduced the number of deaths given the murder fest that was going on.
Touched by an Angel.
* Vibe checked by an Angel
Allicio did need to wield that power more… accurately, but White Chain had a bit of a Demiurge moment there themselves.
Neanderthal to human being
Evolution, kill the gene
Biology is superficial
Intelligence is artificial