A reprise is when a song (or its motif) repeats later in a story. In musicals, it’s often when a song from the first act appears in whole or in part in, say, the second act. One could thus take “Your Answer” to be a reprise of “Answers”. I suppose the lyrics aren’t really repeated since Your Answer is *mostly* instrumental, so it’s slightly inaccurate to call it a reprise in that sense?
Isn’t it a continuity error? When the gods decided to die, “each one faced one direction and told a story” etc. So all those God corpses should face away from the city, not sideways like that.
Of course, it’s a much more impacting imagery the way it is, but it’s not consistent with the mythology anyway.
I wonder how Throne’s getting along after Solomon’s “transmigration strike” and a time skip. That Orb looked like it might have… unforeseen consequences.
Interesting. In the panel #3 the hallway is empty.
In the last panel, Jadis is right in front of the wheelchair.
Starting to think that she’s mentally projecting herself into Allison’s head. Which would explain why she suddenly has a body. And why it looks…weird.
If you look outside the window in panel 3 you can see a horned statue in the distance, and in panels 4 & 5 you can see Allison is parallel to a horned statue, so I believe a little time and distance occurred between 3 & 4.
Your theory is still solid nonetheless.
You’ll also notice the buildings are repeating, so I don’t think time has much passed. I think the observation that Jadis is a projection and not physically there is probably correct.
All is calm, at peace. A hospital of healing. Look out the window at the monuments of divine death. The gods of old sought their own end. In the hospital we look for life. What do we know that they didn’t?
It’s worn out, like all hospital wheelchairs ever. Which suggests that this facility has actually been treating patients. Have they *gasp* actually been doing something worthwhile all these years?
So … Jadis has “perfect knowledge”, and yet Jagganoth seemed to as well …
Did someone say Palantir?
Also, in honour of her namesake, “They say she ruled for a hundred years: a hundred years of winter. There’s power, if you like. There’s something practical.” … though obviously it isn’t practical at all, just terrifying.
To have perfect knowledge is to seen the whole of time at once, with no surprises ever. You know what you will do, and you do not know if it will make a difference; it is just what you do at this time in the turning of the wheel. It is not powerlessness, so much as total slavery, a complete lack of free will, an invincible prison of inevitability.
Allison must find a way to do the unexpected. It is the only hope anyone has. I believe it is this that Zoss hopes for too; he too is trapped in certainty of a time loop, like a fly in tree sap that is hardening to amber. Someone must be the stone that knocks the wheel into it’s new path… but the fate of such stones is usually to be crushed and ground to dust.
I see we continue the trend of demiurges playing dress-up with Allison by having Allison’s hair tied back in a way that’s reminiscent of Jadis’s magnificent do. I bet Jagganoth would’ve put Allison in some wicked cool battle armor, if he had the chance.
That is sort of in line with the whole story though, is it not? Allison, despite the training she had, is not truly a warrior. Every demiurge she has met with, she has to some degree been molded by them and came to understand their situation
She is not the heir. She is not the rising king. She is not the same as the countless bodies that have come before.
Its definitely in line with the story. Especially the part where Allison ruins the outfits she’s dressed up in.
It is very notable how little she ends up keeping. Mottom dressed her up in fancy dresses, but all allison kept was the cutting away of her blond hair dye. Under Incubus’s influence she dressed herself up as a spunky warrior, but only kept the whitening of her hair. She kept literally nothing of what Solomon dressed her in, though her friend White Chain ended up looking fit to be salami dave’s daughter.
I don’t think they’re actually moving anywhere, I think they’re all just facing the same direction. Though previously I thought they were all facing towards or away from the tower at the center of Throne; I’d have to double-check the archives though.
Yes. They all faced away from Throne and told a Story,creating a universe at the cost of their own life. Those are the spokes of the Wheel if I remember correctly.
The interesting thing to me is, we’ve seen a map of Throne in the first book. Jadis’ abode on Throne was shown as a single temple ziggurat on an island that was barely big anough for it and some divine corpses. There was no sign of lots of green land or other pyramids. And the central Red City looks a lot lower from here.
If I recall, Abaddon has said that Throne is roughly half the size of California; it’s pretty big. The map may not have been perfectly drawn to scale, especially with regards to certain landmarks being picked out.
Think of one of those maps they make for tourists in cities.
True, but both on the map and when we saw Throne from above when Solomon David punched Jagganoth through the dimensions the Red City in the center looked about the same: three large walls with god corpses behind them and then several more layers with god corpses standing in front of them. In this view at least three layers are missing while they should be visible from here. And the place doesn’t look wrecked like it would have been if Solomon’s Transmigration Orb had damaged it that much.
We find Ourselves deeply curious of the nature of Omniscience. Contrary to the beliefs of some, We are not truly All-Seeing. What We Observe is given form and substance. What We do not see is subject to flux or oblivion. It can then be assumed that it is only what We see that is real, in one form or another.
It should here be noted that Reality and Truth are similar but unequal concepts. One is wise to distinguish the two.
There’s a lot you can do with omniscience. Presumably that would allow Jadis to see and plan for events after her death. Perhaps that omniscience might even make her consider the optimal time and place to die.
I’m not saying she’s dead here, as she has another good reason to be Alison’s hallucination right now and someone had to zoop Alison out of the danger zone in the first place, but she could totally guide her followers to handle things like the arrival of a near-dead demiurge if she’d somehow died a little sooner. She’d even know if they’d carry out her direction unless things went unknowably askew.
Hear… the song of creation’s end…
Feel… the sorrow of hope’s demise…
Think… and find your way in the darkness.
Now open your eyes, as our plight is repeated.
Still deaf to our cries, lost in hope we lie defeated.
Our souls have been torn, and our bodies forsaken.
wtf
this is just kind of how ksbd fans sound in the comments, you get used to it
it’s like listening to My Dying Bride
it’s a final fantasy xiv reference, these are lyrics from “Answers” & its reprise “Your Answer” in the latest expansion.
Is that the right usage of the word ‘reprise’? I ask because I googled it and it seems wrong?
A reprise is when a song (or its motif) repeats later in a story. In musicals, it’s often when a song from the first act appears in whole or in part in, say, the second act. One could thus take “Your Answer” to be a reprise of “Answers”. I suppose the lyrics aren’t really repeated since Your Answer is *mostly* instrumental, so it’s slightly inaccurate to call it a reprise in that sense?
Do I see a Gunnerkrig Court fan ?
KSBD fans are the type to write entire epics in the comment sections of pages. You’ll become an armchair poet soon enough.
Bearing sins of the past, for our future is taken
War born of strife, these trials persuade us not
Words without sound, these lies betray our thoughts
(See what? Hear what?)
Fear not!
Mired by a plague of doubt, the Land, she mourns
run shoot think live?
Isn’t it a continuity error? When the gods decided to die, “each one faced one direction and told a story” etc. So all those God corpses should face away from the city, not sideways like that.
Of course, it’s a much more impacting imagery the way it is, but it’s not consistent with the mythology anyway.
dat ff14 tho
I wonder how Throne’s getting along after Solomon’s “transmigration strike” and a time skip. That Orb looked like it might have… unforeseen consequences.
Did you prepare for them?
This is the domain of Jadis. No such thing as ‘unforeseen consequences.’
One imagines the plot will revolve around exactly that not being the case.
Indeed. One must remember: Something seen is not always something stoppable.
I mean she has no idea what happened to Solomon, so clearly something she didn’t see happened.
Whatever the orb did, it’s gone, otherwise it would be visible in the last two panels.
(Blink)
So Jadis just appeared? Or is in Alison’s mind and shows up when asked?
Oh! A very good point! Didn’t notice that at first. Thanks for sharing with your less-observant fellows, Felix!
Jadis also has no reflection on the floor in the last panel, while Alison and the attendant pushing her do.
Nor a shadow, but she did have one in the previous pages.
Interesting. In the panel #3 the hallway is empty.
In the last panel, Jadis is right in front of the wheelchair.
Starting to think that she’s mentally projecting herself into Allison’s head. Which would explain why she suddenly has a body. And why it looks…weird.
If you look outside the window in panel 3 you can see a horned statue in the distance, and in panels 4 & 5 you can see Allison is parallel to a horned statue, so I believe a little time and distance occurred between 3 & 4.
Your theory is still solid nonetheless.
You’ll also notice the buildings are repeating, so I don’t think time has much passed. I think the observation that Jadis is a projection and not physically there is probably correct.
That would explain quite a bit.
Sounds about right. Zoss and Incubus both did that a bunch, and Jadis has precious few other options.
gonna say you’re probably correct cause she also doesn’t have a reflection under her like Allison and the person pushing her chair so.
All is calm, at peace. A hospital of healing. Look out the window at the monuments of divine death. The gods of old sought their own end. In the hospital we look for life. What do we know that they didn’t?
As others have noted, not only does she just appear in the last panel, she doesn’t have a reflection.
Neither do Allison or the figure pushing the wheelchair though.
Wait just saw the reflections on the floor. Pay me no mind.
More like Temple of the “I” Revealed, huh guys?
… I’ll get my coat.
More true than you know.
But oddly enough, in 4-126, 127, and 128, Jadis DOES have a shadow from the window.
such a utilitarian wheelchair
It’s worn out, like all hospital wheelchairs ever. Which suggests that this facility has actually been treating patients. Have they *gasp* actually been doing something worthwhile all these years?
So … Jadis has “perfect knowledge”, and yet Jagganoth seemed to as well …
Did someone say Palantir?
Also, in honour of her namesake, “They say she ruled for a hundred years: a hundred years of winter. There’s power, if you like. There’s something practical.” … though obviously it isn’t practical at all, just terrifying.
To have perfect knowledge is to seen the whole of time at once, with no surprises ever. You know what you will do, and you do not know if it will make a difference; it is just what you do at this time in the turning of the wheel. It is not powerlessness, so much as total slavery, a complete lack of free will, an invincible prison of inevitability.
Allison must find a way to do the unexpected. It is the only hope anyone has. I believe it is this that Zoss hopes for too; he too is trapped in certainty of a time loop, like a fly in tree sap that is hardening to amber. Someone must be the stone that knocks the wheel into it’s new path… but the fate of such stones is usually to be crushed and ground to dust.
Time for a “Breaker of Infinities”!
Good to know bung cart/ wheelchair wheels are a universal constant.
Mouse-over text: Jadis predicting accurately Allison’s exact reaction. Still on-script, for now.
I see we continue the trend of demiurges playing dress-up with Allison by having Allison’s hair tied back in a way that’s reminiscent of Jadis’s magnificent do. I bet Jagganoth would’ve put Allison in some wicked cool battle armor, if he had the chance.
That is sort of in line with the whole story though, is it not? Allison, despite the training she had, is not truly a warrior. Every demiurge she has met with, she has to some degree been molded by them and came to understand their situation
She is not the heir. She is not the rising king. She is not the same as the countless bodies that have come before.
Its definitely in line with the story. Especially the part where Allison ruins the outfits she’s dressed up in.
It is very notable how little she ends up keeping. Mottom dressed her up in fancy dresses, but all allison kept was the cutting away of her blond hair dye. Under Incubus’s influence she dressed herself up as a spunky warrior, but only kept the whitening of her hair. She kept literally nothing of what Solomon dressed her in, though her friend White Chain ended up looking fit to be salami dave’s daughter.
The peoples we meet and interact with change us and we change them in return. This is a truth multiversally acknowledge and therefore a barefaced lie
Jagganoth has already done his bit. He’s left Allison one-eyed, after his own fashion.
Yeah, I’m siding with those who see current sequence a Matrix and wait for Berserk Al-YIS-UN from the cover.
Ah, they’re in Throne. I wonder when Jagganoth’s due to invade and whether the plan is fight or flee?
Don’t wake me from death,
I have such beautiful dreams.
Aie! There can be no rest for you,
Even in death.
So, wake up, rise, wake up to the sound of Doom!
… Where are all the god-sized corpses going?
I really think it’s a question that we need to ask.
I don’t think they’re actually moving anywhere, I think they’re all just facing the same direction. Though previously I thought they were all facing towards or away from the tower at the center of Throne; I’d have to double-check the archives though.
They’re likely facing in slightly different directions, 777,777 of them.
Yes. They all faced away from Throne and told a Story,creating a universe at the cost of their own life. Those are the spokes of the Wheel if I remember correctly.
To the bus stop, of course.
The interesting thing to me is, we’ve seen a map of Throne in the first book. Jadis’ abode on Throne was shown as a single temple ziggurat on an island that was barely big anough for it and some divine corpses. There was no sign of lots of green land or other pyramids. And the central Red City looks a lot lower from here.
Maybe it works like Mammon’s tower and is bigger on the inside than the outside.
The Red City does look pretty squat.
It’ll be interesting to see if Jadis’s ziggurat has simply had its design revised or if the windows are liars.
If I recall, Abaddon has said that Throne is roughly half the size of California; it’s pretty big. The map may not have been perfectly drawn to scale, especially with regards to certain landmarks being picked out.
Think of one of those maps they make for tourists in cities.
True, but both on the map and when we saw Throne from above when Solomon David punched Jagganoth through the dimensions the Red City in the center looked about the same: three large walls with god corpses behind them and then several more layers with god corpses standing in front of them. In this view at least three layers are missing while they should be visible from here. And the place doesn’t look wrecked like it would have been if Solomon’s Transmigration Orb had damaged it that much.
More evidnece this is not real.
Hey Listen! Hey Listen! Hey Listen! Hey Listen! Hey Listen! Hey Listen!
The guys across the street at the Tower of Near Perfect Knowledge hate them.
the only demiurge you can trust is a dead demiurge
We find Ourselves deeply curious of the nature of Omniscience. Contrary to the beliefs of some, We are not truly All-Seeing. What We Observe is given form and substance. What We do not see is subject to flux or oblivion. It can then be assumed that it is only what We see that is real, in one form or another.
It should here be noted that Reality and Truth are similar but unequal concepts. One is wise to distinguish the two.
There’s a lot you can do with omniscience. Presumably that would allow Jadis to see and plan for events after her death. Perhaps that omniscience might even make her consider the optimal time and place to die.
I’m not saying she’s dead here, as she has another good reason to be Alison’s hallucination right now and someone had to zoop Alison out of the danger zone in the first place, but she could totally guide her followers to handle things like the arrival of a near-dead demiurge if she’d somehow died a little sooner. She’d even know if they’d carry out her direction unless things went unknowably askew.
Hrm. The mouseover text. The description stokes a long-forgotten memory. Familiarity.
You got to admit, the view is nice.
Imagine being a demiurge and still not having a wheelchair that doesn’t squeak.