to be totally fair, solomon is in stopped time so likely had a proper age to figure out why mottom was throwing him some kind of magic sickle on a chain.
In hindsight, Mottom was the one talking since day one about how gods-scary Jagganoth has become and Solomon is always the practical one, so it seems likely those two would at least have talked over some general anti-Jagganoth strategies or even this specific move at some point. Maybe they are secret penpals. That’s a hilarious image.
I get the impression that Mottom, Mammon, Solomon and Jadis get on quite well (apart from Mottom and Mammon falling out over Allison) but they hate and despise the other three. I love how the clique is cooperating here, but the loners are still the more interesting characters.
I keep having a feeling that the clique you identify might be forced into administrative positions in some new order, rather than ever actually being defeated.
Contrary to the contrary – being assigned to a position where nobody will notice you but you still have all the power you need to shape the world is the very best kind of victory.
“The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had — he has already spent two of his ten presidential years in prison for fraud.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Like most Douglas Adam’s quotes, this seems like a joke until you take a look at what Mitch Mulvaney has been up to for the last four years. Dude can exploit a distraction.
Touché. But in truth positions like that are only conspired, never assigned – they are something entirely different. For example, did the Ring of Power contestants who received minor titles for standing down win a perfect victory, or a consolation prize with strings attached?
While I am by no means an expert when it comes to combat, isn’t it the four fingers that make contact when punching? The thumb not coming into contact?
true but what the og poster is referring to is the way ki-rata uses “point” techniques. the higher the points the more damage they deal, with ten-point being the highest we’ve heard of.
Hmmm… perhaps Jagganoth is cleverer then we give him credit for! I bet you 10-point strikes would level the whole city, and so by attacking Solomon in his capital, he forces the warrior-monk to hold back!
Either that… or 10-point punches also obliterate the wielder and thus remain purely hypothetical.
He then proceeded to block a sword stroke aimed straight at him afterwards.
I have a feeling he did that precisely to make sure the collateral damage wouldn’t damage his city any further.
Solomon is a crushingly overbearing ruler, but that tyranny comes from a place of obsessive love. He’s effectively an overprotective dad who refuses to let his child grow up. Now that his child has been actively harmed, he’s gone into an almost-blind rage.
(There’s also a deep pride in there, but that’s its own thing.)
The only demiurge that hasn’t done anything cool yet is Gog-Agog. I’m assuming she’s about to show up in a big worm-kaiju-abomination body and literally clown on the rest of them.
Yes – For someone very skilled, like Jagganoth, perhaps the worms will work in the other direction too, providing an escape tunnel out of the binding:
We know that Gog-Agog can see what the ‘wormheads’ experience, which means there must be a connection back to the”worm-mother-body”. Can this link be hacked by someone like Jagganoth?
Y’know, there’s definitely precedent for clown-themed secondary villains usurping the BBEG position, so now that I think about it I could see Gog pulling that off, especially since her whole ominous “the mass always wins” speech never went anywhere narratively.
She can bide her time and let the whole multi-verse kill herself. Endless bodies on countless worlds across millions of realities is a lot of worm food.
I believe that the later only applies when you are relying on material rope. Ethereal coils made from one’s own might be a demonstration of rather than a substitute for power.
“Jadis manifests the Hex Sphere…
Mottom crafts the Chain + Sickle of Binding…
Mammon moves her to position for the forward pass…
AND SOLOMON RECEIVES da Weapon in the Hemi-Sphere of NO TIME !
SOLOMON WINDS UP FOR THE NET….!
CAN HE SPIKE JAGGANOTH TO INFINITY AND BEYOND ? !!!”
((( ROARING EXCITEMENT FROM DISTANT PLANAR OBSERVERS )))
I’m promoting you to acting captain until we find out what happened to Jim. If the medical officer given you any trouble, here’s a video with instructions.
By the looks of it, he paused the timeslicing for a moment (as the afterimages merge into one Solomon catching the sickle) and then resumed it in order to stretch the chain.
A mightily impressive display. Three demiurges joining forces against one. And three remain, to add their own power. All impressive and commendable, save for a minor detail. It takes only one, acting against their own self-interest for reasons of volatile mind, to ruin things for the other five. And of those who remain, one is fragmented to ruinous degree, one has a death wish, and one has already turned coat to Jagganoth before. What could possibly go wrong?
I sincerely hope like the Alt-Text is canon and that the demiurges actually DID practice these moves. I bet Gog-Agog provided the music and commentary. Solomon probably did the blocking and choreography.
Well, the Red One cannot be discarded before A) we see more of the demiurges power, B) Allison doesn’t enter the fight in some capacity and C) we don’t get to FINALLY see his presentation card.
That said, it would be extremely dissapointing if none of this had any effect whatsoever in him. I think the author is a best writer than that
I dunno, that also seems kinda predictable to me. I really liked someone’s theory last page that this *will* work only for Allison to need to free him later for some reason – perhaps after grasping the truth of the cycle? That could put his presentation card at the very climax of the book, which would be fitting imo.
THE MANTLE IS PASSED. THE BEAST IS BOUND.
THE WROTH GOD’S MYRIAD ARMS SURROUND.
THEY HOPE THAT WITHIN, THE BEAST IS FOUND
HARKEN FORTH, A NEW KING CROWNED
JAG’S JUST DIGGING A TUNNEL TO EVADE NOW
Too easy. My boy Jagganoth ain’t gonna fall for no Tholian Web tricks.
MAMMON!
MOTTOM!
SOLOMON SNARES AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT!
SURRENDER YAUN, YOU CANNOT FIGHT!!
None of this is important.
I would totally tap dat ass.
GOG-AGOG!
THAT’S RIGHT!
This sounds suspiciously similar to the rocketeer guild’s motto…
wow, for people who can never get along, these guys have AMAZING teamwork skills!
to be totally fair, solomon is in stopped time so likely had a proper age to figure out why mottom was throwing him some kind of magic sickle on a chain.
In hindsight, Mottom was the one talking since day one about how gods-scary Jagganoth has become and Solomon is always the practical one, so it seems likely those two would at least have talked over some general anti-Jagganoth strategies or even this specific move at some point. Maybe they are secret penpals. That’s a hilarious image.
Well, it was actually discussed back in King of Swords. Page 5-50, to be exact.
(I’m rereading the comic and I just got to that page, which is the only reason why I know…)
I get the impression that Mottom, Mammon, Solomon and Jadis get on quite well (apart from Mottom and Mammon falling out over Allison) but they hate and despise the other three. I love how the clique is cooperating here, but the loners are still the more interesting characters.
I keep having a feeling that the clique you identify might be forced into administrative positions in some new order, rather than ever actually being defeated.
On the contrary – such an assignment is indistinguishable from defeat.
Contrary to the contrary – being assigned to a position where nobody will notice you but you still have all the power you need to shape the world is the very best kind of victory.
“The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had — he has already spent two of his ten presidential years in prison for fraud.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Like most Douglas Adam’s quotes, this seems like a joke until you take a look at what Mitch Mulvaney has been up to for the last four years. Dude can exploit a distraction.
Touché. But in truth positions like that are only conspired, never assigned – they are something entirely different. For example, did the Ring of Power contestants who received minor titles for standing down win a perfect victory, or a consolation prize with strings attached?
Solomon used… the power of teamwork.
It’s… maybe effective?
Solomon looks… serious.
And with only eight fingers, these aren’t even serious punches.
While I am by no means an expert when it comes to combat, isn’t it the four fingers that make contact when punching? The thumb not coming into contact?
true but what the og poster is referring to is the way ki-rata uses “point” techniques. the higher the points the more damage they deal, with ten-point being the highest we’ve heard of.
Hmmm… perhaps Jagganoth is cleverer then we give him credit for! I bet you 10-point strikes would level the whole city, and so by attacking Solomon in his capital, he forces the warrior-monk to hold back!
Either that… or 10-point punches also obliterate the wielder and thus remain purely hypothetical.
After a simple look at past pages, I raise a serious doubt over anyone “holding back”.
Solomon dodged an attack that proceeded to hit the city. He’s pissed about it, but he’s absolutely not holding back for his world’s sake.
He then proceeded to block a sword stroke aimed straight at him afterwards.
I have a feeling he did that precisely to make sure the collateral damage wouldn’t damage his city any further.
Really you want one or two of the base knuckles to make contact, only. Keep the fingers out of the way.
I think he looks angry rather than serious, we saw serious Solomon when he was beating the flame outta White Chain before she broke apart.
This is “I just lost thousands of my own people” Solomon, this is “Boiling with enough rage for a nuclear blast” Solomon
Solomon is a crushingly overbearing ruler, but that tyranny comes from a place of obsessive love. He’s effectively an overprotective dad who refuses to let his child grow up. Now that his child has been actively harmed, he’s gone into an almost-blind rage.
(There’s also a deep pride in there, but that’s its own thing.)
ULTIMATE BINDING MANTRA: ONE HUNDRED CHAINS CANCEL THE WICKED
The only demiurge that hasn’t done anything cool yet is Gog-Agog. I’m assuming she’s about to show up in a big worm-kaiju-abomination body and literally clown on the rest of them.
She’s waiting to see if the others manage to immobilize Jags and if they do she’ll shove worms down his throat.
Oh.
Oh no.
That would be… REALLY bad.
Yes – For someone very skilled, like Jagganoth, perhaps the worms will work in the other direction too, providing an escape tunnel out of the binding:
We know that Gog-Agog can see what the ‘wormheads’ experience, which means there must be a connection back to the”worm-mother-body”. Can this link be hacked by someone like Jagganoth?
Y’know, there’s definitely precedent for clown-themed secondary villains usurping the BBEG position, so now that I think about it I could see Gog pulling that off, especially since her whole ominous “the mass always wins” speech never went anywhere narratively.
What would his name be then? Jaggagog? Goganoth? Shai-Hulud?
She can bide her time and let the whole multi-verse kill herself. Endless bodies on countless worlds across millions of realities is a lot of worm food.
There is no art more dangerous than binding, to be bound is to know your true strength, to bind another is to mistake a rope’s strength for yours
I believe that the later only applies when you are relying on material rope. Ethereal coils made from one’s own might be a demonstration of rather than a substitute for power.
OH SHIT
Cooooooombo Kill!
Damn, here’s hoping this sort of works, either way Jaggy’s going to feel it.
Also, I suspect Stinky-Boy’s totally going to fuck this up somehow.
HEY MOTTOM YOU DROPPED YOUR FANCY HAT
Damn, this looks like all the heavy hitters working together to achieve a common goal. Narratively, they cannot win. This will be where they break.
Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but ‘Abaddon will subvert narrative expectations’ is pretty much a given by now
Now it is revealed… he doesn’t have a soul anymore. He lost it long time ago, when they were making a Dead Man of him.
Winding & Binding
“Jadis manifests the Hex Sphere…
Mottom crafts the Chain + Sickle of Binding…
Mammon moves her to position for the forward pass…
AND SOLOMON RECEIVES da Weapon in the Hemi-Sphere of NO TIME !
SOLOMON WINDS UP FOR THE NET….!
CAN HE SPIKE JAGGANOTH TO INFINITY AND BEYOND ? !!!”
((( ROARING EXCITEMENT FROM DISTANT PLANAR OBSERVERS )))
IN COMES INCUBUS WITH THE CHAIR!
Appears to be a Tholian technique.
I’m promoting you to acting captain until we find out what happened to Jim. If the medical officer given you any trouble, here’s a video with instructions.
Let’s hope it turns out better than it did for the Tholians.
Didn’t they do this before?
So did every Solomon catch it?
There is only one Solomon he moves so fast the eye registers him as being everywhere at once. or…. EPIC DIVISION OF SELF
Ah, so the earliest Solomon caught it.
By the looks of it, he paused the timeslicing for a moment (as the afterimages merge into one Solomon catching the sickle) and then resumed it in order to stretch the chain.
Three haikus.
Marrow-drunk lords strung,
Toy gods fat from spent worlds,
Stage of heaven acts!
Wheel dares to splinter,
Finale of bright slave Zoss,
Team snips seven strings.
No conqueror-king,
His tragedy is undone,
Know strength beyond strength.
A mightily impressive display. Three demiurges joining forces against one. And three remain, to add their own power. All impressive and commendable, save for a minor detail. It takes only one, acting against their own self-interest for reasons of volatile mind, to ruin things for the other five. And of those who remain, one is fragmented to ruinous degree, one has a death wish, and one has already turned coat to Jagganoth before. What could possibly go wrong?
It remains to be seen, if the Worm has any interest in this spectacle.
I wouldn’t write It off just yet
I sincerely hope like the Alt-Text is canon and that the demiurges actually DID practice these moves. I bet Gog-Agog provided the music and commentary. Solomon probably did the blocking and choreography.
Given how many pages have gone into this there is no way it does anything to him right?
Well, the Red One cannot be discarded before A) we see more of the demiurges power, B) Allison doesn’t enter the fight in some capacity and C) we don’t get to FINALLY see his presentation card.
That said, it would be extremely dissapointing if none of this had any effect whatsoever in him. I think the author is a best writer than that
It would definitely be a huge letdown if he just no-sold this.
But a few panels of relief followed by him tearing his roaring way out of whatever dimension he’s been sealed in?
*chef’s kiss*
I could also accept the complex maneuver failing thanks to Incubus revealing his true colors
I dunno, that also seems kinda predictable to me. I really liked someone’s theory last page that this *will* work only for Allison to need to free him later for some reason – perhaps after grasping the truth of the cycle? That could put his presentation card at the very climax of the book, which would be fitting imo.
Oh! Now THERE’s an idea!
oh god the field of salamis dave i’m wheezing
Goddess 2 of 3 is seriously hot stuff.
Mhmm
I got a bad desire
Oh oh oh, I’m on fire
I’ve always thought that was one creepy and fucked up song.
Goddess 2 of 3 is the woman, not the little girl.
Looked up lyrics
Much regret
White Chains Born in Emptiness Returns to Subdue Evil!
Still not going to work…
The englober has become the englobed?