i would try to be profound, but unfortunately the first thought i had reading this was “cant talk im busy doing hot god-trapped-in-a-magical-rectangular-prism shit”
Maybe I’m just looking too much into it, but Gog seems to not be doing very much moving. She’s just been… there. Arms and feet out in a (comically) odd position. I’m betting she has something up one of her many sleeves.
While Mother Om is far from the mightiest of the demiurges, the various mercenary interests that court her favor have given her the most practice in managing, balancing, and coordinating varied parties with conflicting interests. It was understated, but the logistical acumen needed to assemble and direct the massive fleet attack against The Bank was arguably a more impressive feat than any martial arts display by Solomon.
One of the things I like best about the comic is how the demiurges all have completely different ways of being endlessly powerful, depending on their temperaments, expressing in the words that they bear. Om bears the word “Glory”; what is that if not the highest estimation of a person in other people’s eyes?
Such a slippery concept to weaponize. But, she is desperate.
Narratively, I don’t think that works here. We already had all the Demiurges trampling one another. Structurally speaking, I’d say this fantastic display of coordination and power is the rise before the fall.
Each demiurge gives it their all in ways that make you cheer for them, only for these efforts to be proven fruitless. This makes their defeat far more devastating while also showing the reader just how threatening Jagganoth is.
Of course KSBD has demolished expectations in the past, and will likely do so again.
This entire episode could just be showing the final battle group learning to work together. Note that Incubus has not reappeared, which suggests that the remaining demiurges could be the ultimate team – everyone else has contributed already except Gog. So maybe Maya takes out Inks, leaving Allison +5 demis (with Jagger presumably neutralized) for the finale.
Gog was cowering against Jadis’ block of ice earlier. It seemed like a clear indication of some kind of relationship between them. Maybe when Jadis saw the shape of the universe it drove her mad because it was shaped like a WORM.
Especially considering she was once regarded as the second most powerful of the seven I’m sure she was the most powerful sorceress in existence. Honestly her current lower rating might be based less on ability and more on the fact that because she already knows what will happen she doesn’t bother to use as much sorcery.
They didn’t win the war together. They fought each other to a standstill. Being incapable of destroying each other is not quite the same thing as teamwork.
They participated in the same thing together, and beat a bunch of other people, but didn’t beat each other. That’s kind of like being on the same team.
At least, it was as close as any of them were probably ever going to get to being on a team.
I’m no expert, but I’ve seen enough god fights to be able to hazard a guess at what that attack can do! Let’s see… I’d wager that it’s some sort of trigram which does about 6 hells worth of damage. Hope this helped, friend!
A trigram has three angles which add up to 180 degrees. In fact, if it is a right trigram, the lengths of the two shorter side squared equals the length of the longer side squared. This is universally known as Aesma’s Mistake. Hope this helped.
If I had to make a guess, I’d say that Mottom is about to attempt to seal Jagganoth away when he inevitably just kinda stands back up to continue fighting. But if I had to make another guess, I’d also say that Jagganoth is not going to be stopped by any of this, or if he is, it’s definitely part of his plan.
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Why am I suddenly thinking about that time when Cell wasn’t destroyed by Vegeta’s Final Flash and came back to curb stomp the Prince of Saiyans. Hmm, maybe it’s just a coincidence…
I apologize. I didn’t mean to say anything harmful to anyone. I guess I underestimated that such a word may have negative connotations here. Any administrator can remove my comment if it’s considered to cause more harm than just being a silly, bad joke as I initially thought.
Thank you for this response, Abrasax, it is appreciated. It’s that easy! The real problem is when people fight so hard to defend what they or others have said, when they know it’s wrong. Nobody is sat at home crying over a word, it’s the environment created by those who are so eager to back those words up with genuine malice that we want to avoid. We have a good community here, mostly.
What Gog’s Wounds said. That language aint welcome here.
You say stuff that’s rude and insensitive to a good chunk of your fellow readers and makes it less fun for them to be in the comment section, and *you* will find the boot before your shit can proliferate and pressure them to leave.
funny considering the part you’re so mad about is used in a bunch of other words that don’t necessarily need to be insults. If we’re going to go in that direction, I hope you’re ready to tell everyone who says “queer” to fuck off regardless of the context.
If I had the impression Abrasax had in any way meant it with the connotation you are implying – and to be clear I have absolutely no idea who Abrasax is – I wouldn’t think you are overreacting at all.
But as is, despite the roots of the word “fag”, in the context of “newfag” I don’t really get anything resembling an impression it has that correlation, directly or indirectly – or I missed something really obvious despite my efforts, in which case I am sorry.
It is, hence, above exception aside, the case that your acting that way only gives me the impression you actually derive personal satisfaction from trying to censor, insult and threaten him.
And that is the very kind of behaviour you’d claim to be harmful to this community, as well as generally poor social behaviour.
You are the one who should reflect on your own actions, as far as I am concerned.
Willful ignorance. The others are right, we don’t say shit like that here. You clearly have no idea what censorship is and you should be more picky about the hills you choose to die on.
the only ones being willfully ignorant are the ones who choose when context is important or not, and always only to their own benefit and never to that of others. And yes, it’s censorship.
Neither of us happens to be Abbadon – who is free to remove either of our messages, ask us not to further them, and/or ban either of us if he so decides to.
What we are doing, on the other hand, is entirely about the hills we choose to die on.
The hill I am choosing to die on is not letting you and the others who have spontaneously taken on themselves to declare their opinion for the collectivty to do so without contestation.
You don’t like what Abrasax said, and I wouldn’t call you wrong for expressing it to his face, but you do not have the right to single-handedly define what is or isn’t said there, what everyone else believes should or shouldn’t be said, what is right and wrong in the absolute, whether I have any personal experience with censorship, and what hill I die on.
And I am here to tell you so, because the fact is even if you claim otherwise not everyone here agrees with you, and there is nothing you can do about it, except throw your opinion back and have to live with mine too, as I am doing.
That said, though I will read any reply you add, I will refrain from replying further in the current panel, in the interest of not making it about this discussion rather than the comic proper.
I’m not going to pretend I know Abbadon personally or anything but, knowing what I do know about the guy, I’m going to go ahead and guess that he’s not particularly enthusiastic about people 4channing it up and throwing slurs around in the comments of his web comic. This is not an internet forum of the early 2000s, you do not get to just go on here and say whatever you want and expect no consequences. I fully expect that at least one person here will be getting a boot if they continue to defend the use of slurs (and that is what the word used is, for the record) without regard for their origin or meaning, let alone how saying them might affect others.
All this said, yeah, it is probably better you stop making replies.
I will have to go back on what I said, just due to that last line – it is in part a failure in self-control from my part, so sorry to anyone else for whom this whole parallel discussion’s existence here is a bother.
When you say it is probably better I stop making replies, in general, you are doing something more offensive to me than throwing an actual slur at me, and it comes across aggravatingly self-entitled.
I am entirely positive Abbadon is against hate speech, but trying to police others yourself, under threats that are not yours to make, while laying claim to be acting in accordance to their will is just an excuse you are giving.
You are self-exemplifying the very thing you claim to abhor, to an incredible degree. You ‘sound’ like a zealot.
If you are certain Abbadon’d think Abrasax made a grave wronging simply by saying that, just report it and trust him to do something about it.
Don’t try to bully people into thinking your feelings reflect some sort of universal will of remotely good society and everyone who deviates even a tiny bit is evil and unholy.
And if you think I am so horrible for standing up to your doing that, when you are so clearly right and I am so clearly a hateful idiot for even daring question it, just report me too.
I am going to do absolutely nothing about it – best case scenario for you (apparently) you get me kicked out, worst case scenario you get no reply, most likely.
Myself, I think Abbadon has demonstrated themselves willing to step in and do something here when necessary, but is fair about it and only does it in particularly obnoxious cases – having noted themselves how extraordinary it was the one time they had to do so – which goes to say they also value free speech and have a sense of proportion.
All I really said – and correctly so, in my opinion – is that you probably shouldn’t be too loud or obnoxious about making long-form posts defending the use of slurs in a place where they aren’t welcome. I don’t care if you get banned or what you think of me or what my motives are.
It’s got similar semantic connotations as, and is about as offensive as the expanded form of FNG, which is to say, not at all to everyone with more serious pursuits than internet drama. Anyone who cares what words silly edgelords use when they’re edgy 13 year olds must not be up to much these days.
Ever wonder why everyone in manual labor or blue collar jobs is allowed to swear? Because when you’re 4 feet deep in a 2 foot puddle of shit, sewage, and transmission fluid, the language you use, as long as it is concise, is the least of your problems.
Like being mad at murderers saying mean words, or militaries being strict on their training regimens, no sense of scale at all.
Don’t you know, you can’t say the bad words regardless of the context. Not like treating a word as if it’s voldemort causes it to retain its power or anything.
Why is “queer” ok, then? It still means the insult thing. Trying to make it an “empowering” word did nothing. But you pick and choose what you want to keep, for arbitrary reasons.
Context. If you use it to describe yourself, that’s fine. If you use it as an insult or to describe someone else when you have specifically been asked not to, that’s not fine. I don’t know why I have to explain that different words have different meanings, connotations, and history.
So this is going to end with a crater and large smoke cloud; and someone asking “did we get him”; followed by Jaggonth charging out of said smoke cloud.
Now Mottom is a girl who would have no qualms about aiming the Six Hells Trigram at Jagganoth’s nuts. Will he be like the legendary heroes of old, who were invulnerable apart from one small spot on their bodies?
Having spent a little time observing Jagganoth’s great grey codpiece (for purely academic reasons I assure you) I have come to notice it does not appear to be particularly well packed. I am lead to wonder if perhaps one of the means by which Jantris, storm crowned made Yaun useful was by having him shaved, so as to remove the possibility of any distractions of the carnal kind and indeed any pendulous, fleshy vulnerabilities.
PLACE YOUR BETS, WHO AMONG THE SEVEN WILL COME OUT THE VICTOR IN THIS GRAND BATTLE. WILL IT BE THE JAGANOTH THE BUTCHER, OR HIS ENEMIES. NAME YOUR STAKES CITIZENS OF THE WHEEL.
(My money is on the 6 beating Jagganoth.)
“You shall be cast down, your power stifled by the words of sealing.” So here the words go, probably.
Note that among Jadis’ occult drawings there is a design fairly sinilar (though different) to the eye symbols hovering about Jagganoth several pages ago, when he was performing Blood-Draining Sword Soul. Knowing Abbadon, probably no coincidence, and there is a common source for both tecniques.
Prediction: this book is not primarily about Jagganoth and defeating him is a warmup exercise. Though even if true, someone besides Jagger might still end up dead, like Inky at the broken sword of Maya.
You know what would be hilarious?
If Mottom and friends actually beat Jagganoth, and then Alison and co had the more difficult social task of like… convincing them to stop being idiots.
This is the most interesting thing about this fight to me. It doesn’t matter which side out-violences the other, in the victor’s hands the universe is doomed, to either instant annihilation or a stagnant oblivion. If Allison can save it from them, she’ll have to do it outside of combat entirely. Strength beyond strength indeed.
I’m guessing that Allison (possibly with help from the gang) has to step in to deliver the final blow against Jagger, saving the demis from destruction. That would make them a team with her as the leader, all set to take on Metatron or whoever is behind him.
Turns out Nadia is very good at delegating, organizing and using everyone’s strength while acting like a support caster.
Mamnon is very good at basically being a mobile fortress with good long distance strikes.
Jadis is the best spellcaster.
Solomon tanks and incapacitates the enemy.
I’m expecting Incubus to reveal that he can inflict the most damage if he gets a clear shot.
And we’re still waiting for Gog-Agog to do something.
So my wild-assed guess is that Jaggy is playing a long game and is letting himself get hellaciously pummeled in order to show his thick-headed (or willfully uncooperative) fellow Demi-urges that they can actually work together as a team and accomplish something greater than the sum of the parts, etc., etc., because there are bigger fish to fry.
Or one particular bigger fish, that being Metatron.
I admit that’s not an original thought on my part, someone else offered the idea when Jaggy said “Finally” after being blasted by the “Wild Mo Mottom” and “Make Mine Melted Metal Mammon” team play combo; as in “Finally you idiots are getting the idea of working together.”
I don’t doubt the Jagged One is taking a beating and feeling a lot of pain, but it’s clear he’s swimming in pain anyway (in fact, that’s pretty much true of all of the Demi-urges. They all seem pretty miserable, so y’know, be careful what you ask for).
But when he demanded Alison’s key he made it clear that his biggest beef was with Metatron, whom he blames for a world of shit. Or a shitty world. Well, shitty multi-verse.
How that is so is not entirely clear to me. I might have to do a full read through to freshen up on Metatron’s role when everything fell apart, his connections with Michael bird-body-stuck-with-arrows-dude and the Thorn Knights, etc.
But Jagganoth’s ultimate goal could be uniting them in an effort to whomp down on Metatron, thereby…well, I have no idea what that would accomplish. Jaggy seems to have a nihilist streak, so maybe he just wants to end everything.
I offer this with the standard caveat: I could be completely and utterly wrong.
I’d say the main piece of evidence against that theory is that Jagganoth, y’know, brutally murdered a packed stadium of people, which, if he needed Solomon’s cooperation, probably crossed a few lines.
Well, looks like Jag’s invulnerability’s being put to the test…right now I’m expecting the results of all this will be “absolutely zip”, but the author does occasionally throw us a curve ball.
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You’ve missed a lot, go back and read the pages where Allison meets Mammon. He’s been unsuccessfully stabbed by so many people that it’s become boring to him. Those swords have been in his neck for eons.
We laugh, but isn’t Gog Agog the only one who stands a chance against Big Jag? All the others are doing atm is punching themselves out against (what everybody thinks is) an invulnerable opponent.
But if Gog gets one of her worms down his throat and he falls under her thrall, that might bypass the whole ‘invulnerable’ thing.
Eh, I doubt it. I’m sure Gog’s save DC is absurdly high but Jagg’s will save is undoubtedly even more exceptional, to say nothing of his probable legendary resistances.
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i would try to be profound, but unfortunately the first thought i had reading this was “cant talk im busy doing hot god-trapped-in-a-magical-rectangular-prism shit”
Gog-Agog is saving herself for the finisher.
*gog flies across the battlefield and is immediately impaled by another spike*
Can’t wait until Gog uses their Special Ultimate Combo Move™
Ah who am I kidding it’s just going to be Vicious Mockery
Viscious mockery, but from an enormous terrfiying worm beast
Viscous monkey
R E T U R N T O M O N K E
I believe the spell Gog would use is called Eldritch mockery rather than a simple vicious mockery.
Viscous mockery?
THICCC MOCKERY
Maybe I’m just looking too much into it, but Gog seems to not be doing very much moving. She’s just been… there. Arms and feet out in a (comically) odd position. I’m betting she has something up one of her many sleeves.
Oh, synchronized spellcasting, like in the Olympics
While Mother Om is far from the mightiest of the demiurges, the various mercenary interests that court her favor have given her the most practice in managing, balancing, and coordinating varied parties with conflicting interests. It was understated, but the logistical acumen needed to assemble and direct the massive fleet attack against The Bank was arguably a more impressive feat than any martial arts display by Solomon.
One of the things I like best about the comic is how the demiurges all have completely different ways of being endlessly powerful, depending on their temperaments, expressing in the words that they bear. Om bears the word “Glory”; what is that if not the highest estimation of a person in other people’s eyes?
Such a slippery concept to weaponize. But, she is desperate.
I feel like when Gog finally does something its gunna be sick as shit
It’s sick as shit that it’s still alive! A common worm would be a-hundred-times dead by now. All Hail The Worm-King!
Maybe the final blow will be to make Metatron eat the worm. Like with tequila.
All hail the Conquering Worm(s), the Great Beast Gog-Agog, Defeater of Self-Impalement
About to smack him with a Spirit Bomb.
Also, let it be known all of this is for not, the true ruler shall triumph:
The Rhyming Wax Head
Hail to the glorious Wax Head, whose words are true, because they rhyme!
Let all pay tribute and homage due, now and ’till the end of time
lessons don’t accrue
riddles, cadence too.
Pay me. Fuck you.
Considering that Solomon is presumably still operating in frozen time ^2 while this is going on…. that’s a lot of punches.
The last page said ten thousand blows…but as someone mentioned earlier, ten thousand was simply an archaic shorthand for infinity…
I have a prediction, Jagganoth is going to pull King Soloswole in front of whatever lightshow these three are intending to throw.
Narratively, I don’t think that works here. We already had all the Demiurges trampling one another. Structurally speaking, I’d say this fantastic display of coordination and power is the rise before the fall.
Each demiurge gives it their all in ways that make you cheer for them, only for these efforts to be proven fruitless. This makes their defeat far more devastating while also showing the reader just how threatening Jagganoth is.
Of course KSBD has demolished expectations in the past, and will likely do so again.
I assume we will either learn more of Jagganoth’s true plan- or Maya’s sword will drop
This entire episode could just be showing the final battle group learning to work together. Note that Incubus has not reappeared, which suggests that the remaining demiurges could be the ultimate team – everyone else has contributed already except Gog. So maybe Maya takes out Inks, leaving Allison +5 demis (with Jagger presumably neutralized) for the finale.
I don’t know what’s going on in that purple dome. But I’m gonna throw some magic at it!
Jag is enjoying getting *DOM*ed
Simpler trigrams are often used for divinations of the future.
The Six Hells Trigram only offers one future. That of destruction.
Any sufficiently powerful prediction points to the One End.
Jagganoth bathes in such prophecies.
Wow
Wow
Mottom isn’t a half-bad team leader
It’s so polite of Jadis to wait for Mottom to make her demand before choosing to comply.
Like yeah she’s omniscient but she’s not so boorish as to show up people by telling them what they’re gonna say before they say it, lovely gal.
So… impaling Gog-Agog was maybe really really important for the cosmos’ continued existence?
She could have chosen a defensive shape involving pillows, rather than spikes, after all.
She’s just keeping her out of trouble.
Gog was cowering against Jadis’ block of ice earlier. It seemed like a clear indication of some kind of relationship between them. Maybe when Jadis saw the shape of the universe it drove her mad because it was shaped like a WORM.
A snake eating it’s own tail would look vaguely worm-like.
Grandma Mottom is a feisty one!
I’m reminded suddenly that Jadis got that way by attempting to see the shape of Reality. a thing Aesma couldnt do alone or correctly.
In other words, Jadis must have been and may still be the most mighty weilder of those arts that’s ever been.
Especially considering she was once regarded as the second most powerful of the seven I’m sure she was the most powerful sorceress in existence. Honestly her current lower rating might be based less on ability and more on the fact that because she already knows what will happen she doesn’t bother to use as much sorcery.
gog off the spike
what combo attack will she do
Ah, THAT’S how they won the war together. Just waiting for Incubus and Gog Agog to get their shit together.
You know, Mottom is showing signs of, slowly, awakening again to Royalty. They all are.
They didn’t win the war together. They fought each other to a standstill. Being incapable of destroying each other is not quite the same thing as teamwork.
They participated in the same thing together, and beat a bunch of other people, but didn’t beat each other. That’s kind of like being on the same team.
At least, it was as close as any of them were probably ever going to get to being on a team.
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I’m really scared, but in a good way. What’s a 6 hells trigram, and how is it going to do more damage than infinite punch man
I’m no expert, but I’ve seen enough god fights to be able to hazard a guess at what that attack can do! Let’s see… I’d wager that it’s some sort of trigram which does about 6 hells worth of damage. Hope this helped, friend!
Ol’ Jack, I’ve looked at your hypothesis from every angle, and I can’t help but conclude that you’ve pretty much summed it up. Well done.
Thanks. I’m not trying to brag but when you’ve been around as long as I have, you start to get an instinct for this sort of thing.
A trigram has three angles which add up to 180 degrees. In fact, if it is a right trigram, the lengths of the two shorter side squared equals the length of the longer side squared. This is universally known as Aesma’s Mistake. Hope this helped.
It sounds like the kind of attack that kicks up a cloud of dust and makes forces someone nearby to say something like “nobody could survive that.”
It’s a collateral-damage spell.
A haiku.
Canopy cracks grow,
In the Doldrums pest scents hide,
Which flesh cheats scurvy.
Ah, formations. This is truly a xianxia now.
A Triune Combo ?
Infinite Witch-Urge
Generates Trigram
Pass to Blood Flower
Scaled God Bomb Run
And here comes the boom
“Where, oh where, is that earth-shattering kaboom?”
If I had to make a guess, I’d say that Mottom is about to attempt to seal Jagganoth away when he inevitably just kinda stands back up to continue fighting. But if I had to make another guess, I’d also say that Jagganoth is not going to be stopped by any of this, or if he is, it’s definitely part of his plan.
Plans can fail. Jagganoth is invincible, he has no plan and he never will. He has only his work.
…beyond that I can say only that this is a real rough day at the office.
Why am I suddenly thinking about that time when Cell wasn’t destroyed by Vegeta’s Final Flash and came back to curb stomp the Prince of Saiyans. Hmm, maybe it’s just a coincidence…
Apparently Jadis isn’t a newfag because she can Triforce
we don’t say shit like that here bro
I apologize. I didn’t mean to say anything harmful to anyone. I guess I underestimated that such a word may have negative connotations here. Any administrator can remove my comment if it’s considered to cause more harm than just being a silly, bad joke as I initially thought.
Thank you for this response, Abrasax, it is appreciated. It’s that easy! The real problem is when people fight so hard to defend what they or others have said, when they know it’s wrong. Nobody is sat at home crying over a word, it’s the environment created by those who are so eager to back those words up with genuine malice that we want to avoid. We have a good community here, mostly.
What Gog’s Wounds said. That language aint welcome here.
You say stuff that’s rude and insensitive to a good chunk of your fellow readers and makes it less fun for them to be in the comment section, and *you* will find the boot before your shit can proliferate and pressure them to leave.
funny considering the part you’re so mad about is used in a bunch of other words that don’t necessarily need to be insults. If we’re going to go in that direction, I hope you’re ready to tell everyone who says “queer” to fuck off regardless of the context.
Riiiiiight, because the people who spawned the term you’re defending were so concerned with furthering queer acceptance and defending queer culture.
Well, there’s the hypocrite spotted.
oh come on
If I had the impression Abrasax had in any way meant it with the connotation you are implying – and to be clear I have absolutely no idea who Abrasax is – I wouldn’t think you are overreacting at all.
But as is, despite the roots of the word “fag”, in the context of “newfag” I don’t really get anything resembling an impression it has that correlation, directly or indirectly – or I missed something really obvious despite my efforts, in which case I am sorry.
It is, hence, above exception aside, the case that your acting that way only gives me the impression you actually derive personal satisfaction from trying to censor, insult and threaten him.
And that is the very kind of behaviour you’d claim to be harmful to this community, as well as generally poor social behaviour.
You are the one who should reflect on your own actions, as far as I am concerned.
Willful ignorance. The others are right, we don’t say shit like that here. You clearly have no idea what censorship is and you should be more picky about the hills you choose to die on.
the only ones being willfully ignorant are the ones who choose when context is important or not, and always only to their own benefit and never to that of others. And yes, it’s censorship.
Neither of us happens to be Abbadon – who is free to remove either of our messages, ask us not to further them, and/or ban either of us if he so decides to.
What we are doing, on the other hand, is entirely about the hills we choose to die on.
The hill I am choosing to die on is not letting you and the others who have spontaneously taken on themselves to declare their opinion for the collectivty to do so without contestation.
You don’t like what Abrasax said, and I wouldn’t call you wrong for expressing it to his face, but you do not have the right to single-handedly define what is or isn’t said there, what everyone else believes should or shouldn’t be said, what is right and wrong in the absolute, whether I have any personal experience with censorship, and what hill I die on.
And I am here to tell you so, because the fact is even if you claim otherwise not everyone here agrees with you, and there is nothing you can do about it, except throw your opinion back and have to live with mine too, as I am doing.
That said, though I will read any reply you add, I will refrain from replying further in the current panel, in the interest of not making it about this discussion rather than the comic proper.
I’m not going to pretend I know Abbadon personally or anything but, knowing what I do know about the guy, I’m going to go ahead and guess that he’s not particularly enthusiastic about people 4channing it up and throwing slurs around in the comments of his web comic. This is not an internet forum of the early 2000s, you do not get to just go on here and say whatever you want and expect no consequences. I fully expect that at least one person here will be getting a boot if they continue to defend the use of slurs (and that is what the word used is, for the record) without regard for their origin or meaning, let alone how saying them might affect others.
All this said, yeah, it is probably better you stop making replies.
I will have to go back on what I said, just due to that last line – it is in part a failure in self-control from my part, so sorry to anyone else for whom this whole parallel discussion’s existence here is a bother.
When you say it is probably better I stop making replies, in general, you are doing something more offensive to me than throwing an actual slur at me, and it comes across aggravatingly self-entitled.
I am entirely positive Abbadon is against hate speech, but trying to police others yourself, under threats that are not yours to make, while laying claim to be acting in accordance to their will is just an excuse you are giving.
You are self-exemplifying the very thing you claim to abhor, to an incredible degree. You ‘sound’ like a zealot.
If you are certain Abbadon’d think Abrasax made a grave wronging simply by saying that, just report it and trust him to do something about it.
Don’t try to bully people into thinking your feelings reflect some sort of universal will of remotely good society and everyone who deviates even a tiny bit is evil and unholy.
And if you think I am so horrible for standing up to your doing that, when you are so clearly right and I am so clearly a hateful idiot for even daring question it, just report me too.
I am going to do absolutely nothing about it – best case scenario for you (apparently) you get me kicked out, worst case scenario you get no reply, most likely.
Myself, I think Abbadon has demonstrated themselves willing to step in and do something here when necessary, but is fair about it and only does it in particularly obnoxious cases – having noted themselves how extraordinary it was the one time they had to do so – which goes to say they also value free speech and have a sense of proportion.
All I really said – and correctly so, in my opinion – is that you probably shouldn’t be too loud or obnoxious about making long-form posts defending the use of slurs in a place where they aren’t welcome. I don’t care if you get banned or what you think of me or what my motives are.
It’s got similar semantic connotations as, and is about as offensive as the expanded form of FNG, which is to say, not at all to everyone with more serious pursuits than internet drama. Anyone who cares what words silly edgelords use when they’re edgy 13 year olds must not be up to much these days.
Ever wonder why everyone in manual labor or blue collar jobs is allowed to swear? Because when you’re 4 feet deep in a 2 foot puddle of shit, sewage, and transmission fluid, the language you use, as long as it is concise, is the least of your problems.
Like being mad at murderers saying mean words, or militaries being strict on their training regimens, no sense of scale at all.
The most ancient of fags.
Don’t you know, you can’t say the bad words regardless of the context. Not like treating a word as if it’s voldemort causes it to retain its power or anything.
Reclaim that shit.
If nobody speaks up then people start to think they can get away with worse. We don’t want to reclaim it, let it die in the rotting corpse of 4chan.
Why is “queer” ok, then? It still means the insult thing. Trying to make it an “empowering” word did nothing. But you pick and choose what you want to keep, for arbitrary reasons.
“Queer” is a matter where there is ongoing debate within the alphabet soup. Many elders recall it’s sting, while younger folk more often embrace it.
Almost none are cool with 4chan-style crap, probably limited almost entirely limited to /b/ participants who are themselves not straight.
Context. If you use it to describe yourself, that’s fine. If you use it as an insult or to describe someone else when you have specifically been asked not to, that’s not fine. I don’t know why I have to explain that different words have different meanings, connotations, and history.
So this is going to end with a crater and large smoke cloud; and someone asking “did we get him”; followed by Jaggonth charging out of said smoke cloud.
Yeah, or slowly walking out of said smoke cloud, flicking off bits of debris, and saying “Well, that was fun. What else you got?”
As cynically appropriate as it was to watch the demiurges bicker and fail their way through this fight, watching them work *together* is amazing.
Okay, okay, ladies, now let’s get in formation
Jadis, the Witch in Glass, Queen of Prophecy, Bearer of the Word Mind and Paperweight of the Seven-Part World
A six hells trigram?! But that’s three whole grams!
2 hells per gram
they really pack that shit in
I wonder what the USRDA is for a single serving.
This won´t hold him I am sure but big old helmet head is taking quite the beating.
Now Mottom is a girl who would have no qualms about aiming the Six Hells Trigram at Jagganoth’s nuts. Will he be like the legendary heroes of old, who were invulnerable apart from one small spot on their bodies?
Having spent a little time observing Jagganoth’s great grey codpiece (for purely academic reasons I assure you) I have come to notice it does not appear to be particularly well packed. I am lead to wonder if perhaps one of the means by which Jantris, storm crowned made Yaun useful was by having him shaved, so as to remove the possibility of any distractions of the carnal kind and indeed any pendulous, fleshy vulnerabilities.
Well, eunuchs do tend to be pretty swole…I would not be surprised
Give me shelter, give me danger,
give me saviour in a manger.
Robert Johnson’s here, I’ll wager.
… I’ll be in my bunk.
Look! There’s Hermione Granger!
i sincerely hope gog never contributes to this fight
And takes all the credit for it.
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PLACE YOUR BETS, WHO AMONG THE SEVEN WILL COME OUT THE VICTOR IN THIS GRAND BATTLE. WILL IT BE THE JAGANOTH THE BUTCHER, OR HIS ENEMIES. NAME YOUR STAKES CITIZENS OF THE WHEEL.
(My money is on the 6 beating Jagganoth.)
I’m putting my penny on Gog-Agog (that’s the penny slowly sliding across the floor as if carried by something small and undulating…)
100 gold on Jaghanoth, I am not a fool!
To quote spongebob, “some other third thing.”
Neither the one nor the six shall prevail, but instead either one or several other actors outside the seven part struggle.
Narratively it is the only option, or else the six or the one would have won last time.
Sorcery is Mottom’s second greatest weapon. Her highest and most mighty skill is delegation, the true art of the ruler.
“You shall be cast down, your power stifled by the words of sealing.” So here the words go, probably.
Note that among Jadis’ occult drawings there is a design fairly sinilar (though different) to the eye symbols hovering about Jagganoth several pages ago, when he was performing Blood-Draining Sword Soul. Knowing Abbadon, probably no coincidence, and there is a common source for both tecniques.
Ah, I forgot to rejoice for Gog. All heil Gog!
Someone’s about to get friendly fired…
…and it’s still only the first chapter O_O
Good. Dramatic tension dictates that Jagganoth must look defeatable, preferably after the… opposition finally rises up to the challenge.
I look forward to when it all comes crashing down. We still have an entire book left to go, after all, and some choice misery to drink.
Prediction: this book is not primarily about Jagganoth and defeating him is a warmup exercise. Though even if true, someone besides Jagger might still end up dead, like Inky at the broken sword of Maya.
Can you feel it?
The dread of Jagganoth’s title card is in the air.
It is coming…
“Form feet and legs! Form arms and body! And I’ll form the head!”
Stack, you’ll become more powerful!
*QUACK*
Gog is a whole mood.
Holy teamwork, Batman!
You are not legally alowed to say that without wearing short shorts!
I’m just glad that Mammon is having a good time.
You know, me too! The old guy has gotten out, he’s socializing, it’s good for him.
Yes, it seems like elder care in Rayuba is quite good. Lots of activities.
You know what would be hilarious?
If Mottom and friends actually beat Jagganoth, and then Alison and co had the more difficult social task of like… convincing them to stop being idiots.
This is the most interesting thing about this fight to me. It doesn’t matter which side out-violences the other, in the victor’s hands the universe is doomed, to either instant annihilation or a stagnant oblivion. If Allison can save it from them, she’ll have to do it outside of combat entirely. Strength beyond strength indeed.
I’m guessing that Allison (possibly with help from the gang) has to step in to deliver the final blow against Jagger, saving the demis from destruction. That would make them a team with her as the leader, all set to take on Metatron or whoever is behind him.
Turns out Nadia is very good at delegating, organizing and using everyone’s strength while acting like a support caster.
Mamnon is very good at basically being a mobile fortress with good long distance strikes.
Jadis is the best spellcaster.
Solomon tanks and incapacitates the enemy.
I’m expecting Incubus to reveal that he can inflict the most damage if he gets a clear shot.
And we’re still waiting for Gog-Agog to do something.
The whole point of Sword Law is measuring twice and cutting once, so, I would assume you’re mostly right about Incubus
If, during a time of war, the Fool is unhurried, one should very much begin to worry.
unable not to hear “you great paperweight” in the voice of palpatine from the worthikids video saying “yoda! you…old sponge…”
Next time get irritated with someone I’m going to call them a ‘paperweight’.
Not as funny if they’re not encased in a giant block of ice.
“well it feels good to be ridden instead of to ride every now and again”
excuse my neutrality the feeling isn’t mutual
So my wild-assed guess is that Jaggy is playing a long game and is letting himself get hellaciously pummeled in order to show his thick-headed (or willfully uncooperative) fellow Demi-urges that they can actually work together as a team and accomplish something greater than the sum of the parts, etc., etc., because there are bigger fish to fry.
Or one particular bigger fish, that being Metatron.
I admit that’s not an original thought on my part, someone else offered the idea when Jaggy said “Finally” after being blasted by the “Wild Mo Mottom” and “Make Mine Melted Metal Mammon” team play combo; as in “Finally you idiots are getting the idea of working together.”
I don’t doubt the Jagged One is taking a beating and feeling a lot of pain, but it’s clear he’s swimming in pain anyway (in fact, that’s pretty much true of all of the Demi-urges. They all seem pretty miserable, so y’know, be careful what you ask for).
But when he demanded Alison’s key he made it clear that his biggest beef was with Metatron, whom he blames for a world of shit. Or a shitty world. Well, shitty multi-verse.
How that is so is not entirely clear to me. I might have to do a full read through to freshen up on Metatron’s role when everything fell apart, his connections with Michael bird-body-stuck-with-arrows-dude and the Thorn Knights, etc.
But Jagganoth’s ultimate goal could be uniting them in an effort to whomp down on Metatron, thereby…well, I have no idea what that would accomplish. Jaggy seems to have a nihilist streak, so maybe he just wants to end everything.
I offer this with the standard caveat: I could be completely and utterly wrong.
Very interesting theory! We shall watch and see.
I’d say the main piece of evidence against that theory is that Jagganoth, y’know, brutally murdered a packed stadium of people, which, if he needed Solomon’s cooperation, probably crossed a few lines.
SUPER DEMIURGE ACTION TEAM FORMATION GO!!!
Well, looks like Jag’s invulnerability’s being put to the test…right now I’m expecting the results of all this will be “absolutely zip”, but the author does occasionally throw us a curve ball.
If the only result of the last ten pages happens to be “Nope, suckers”, I’d be very disappointed by the boringness.
It would be extremely uncharacteristic of Abbadon. I expect a nice surprise.
They’re going to swamp Jagganoth and just not know what to do with themselves anymore, clearly!
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👀 Peep the swords under Mammon’s neck…this isn’t going to end well for him and his lands will be plundered of their riches
You’ve missed a lot, go back and read the pages where Allison meets Mammon. He’s been unsuccessfully stabbed by so many people that it’s become boring to him. Those swords have been in his neck for eons.
Chill, I’m up to date. Jag is literally pulling swords out of his back and flinging them through the air at warp speed
endgame is Jadis being freed from her rectangular prism
We laugh, but isn’t Gog Agog the only one who stands a chance against Big Jag? All the others are doing atm is punching themselves out against (what everybody thinks is) an invulnerable opponent.
But if Gog gets one of her worms down his throat and he falls under her thrall, that might bypass the whole ‘invulnerable’ thing.
Eh, I doubt it. I’m sure Gog’s save DC is absurdly high but Jagg’s will save is undoubtedly even more exceptional, to say nothing of his probable legendary resistances.
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